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shatters from sunny San Diego I'm Greg

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Carl wood and as often as we focus on

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the scams and schemes of the capstone

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cabal and the multitude of ways the

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resources but in our everything is money

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filled immerse a ex-marine land animal

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who could no longer take what he was

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the ongoing legal battle that Marineland

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having me Greg and I'm impressed he

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pronounced my name perfectly smoochies

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very few things the host must do that

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great example of a guy with principles

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who's doing the whole David verse

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you're here to learn the people that

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here or how this is done

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guess what you would call a desperate

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position where you know everything

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everything and try to change your

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perspective kind of look from the

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nasty bubble but when I managed to even

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only briefly disconnect myself and look

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what they truly are you can't kind of

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fall right into that classic just

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following orders mind game as you're

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I'm a hard worker I'm dependable I mean

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but yeah hire me I'm a good employee you

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do anything for the park and all I

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wanted to do was just try to get ahead

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training of animals of course when you

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tricks to eat those terms sound quite

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animals I mean they rely on their

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hearing in ways that we can't even

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complex system where they use

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concrete tank and also the sounds the

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filtration system - loud music - people

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clapping all of this is it just

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they're stuck there basically if they're

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go to Petco for pet food and I see like

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chameleons in a small 10 gallon tank

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little companions but some of the things

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blackfish where it just says that in the

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he was housed in a tank containing one

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one billionth of the quantity of water

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he would traverse in a single day in the

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ocean I mean that's pretty insane and he

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you know the sad thing is he's not the

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only whale that's found themselves in

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lowest standard of the worst of the

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worst of pools I know one Orca that

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Marineland had named Junior that lived

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backstage and he never saw the light of

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day and he quite literally rotted and

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ice and if anybody you know has the

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stomach for look up on YouTube of course

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erricka and you know he rotted away in a

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warehouse never to see the light of day

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because he was deemed a surplus whale

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there was no market for him because at

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crazy now in China especially but at the

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time there were very few sea worlds in

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places in in Europe so there was a legit

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surplus of whale so there were times

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warehoused out of sight out of mind and

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rotted away it's tragic

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these animals separation from family I

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mean we don't really know the dynamics

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who do but there are family dynamics to

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animals and the things they do in these

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parks are the capture of these animals

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it violates a lot of that stuff that we

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just kind of gloss over because oh these

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are just meat robots they don't have

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consciousness and that's just so untrue

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but what can you say about things like

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separation from family or even as nasty

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as it is incest that has to be an

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element to this kind of thing right all

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the wild will spend 90% of their life

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within a body length of their mothers I

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mean two separate animals we can't even

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begin to understand the magnitude of

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torture that that causes for both mother

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and especially the babies and I've seen

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it you know I was there when we received

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wild-caught animals and many of them

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don't make it beyond a very few weeks

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into months even and then when you get

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into years you've got more dying and you

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know that there's a reason why why the

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environment that these animals live in

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aren't so great it's because there was a

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time where rather than taking proper

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care of the animal or the whales in this

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case because it would be very costly to

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make very large elaborate pools that

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would accommodate them

290
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it was just cheaper to replace them so

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let them die these facilities are still

292
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sort of stuck in that archaic mindset I

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mean look these are infrastructures that

294
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were expensive to build then expensive

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to build today even by the crappy

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standards that they are marine lance

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pools it exists is now for nearly 50

298
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years you know see worlds as well so

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these are really really really not just

300
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archaic ideas but the way that we're

301
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doing it is even so archaic and I and I

302
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would never I mean look there's not

303
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gonna be a perfect form of captivity

304
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it's virtually impossible and I'm not

305
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gonna make any excuse for it because the

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second that money is to be made for it

307
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the second that the animals lives are

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compromised it's just in the capacity

309
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that I've seen it's just not worth it

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I'll never be sort of sympathetic to

311
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captivity but they do got to catch up in

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some capacity they need to address some

313
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of the living conditions that these

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animals are in the only result that

315
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SeaWorld's and marine lands have adopted

316
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is to say oh you know we don't do the

317
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performances as much or whatsoever now

318
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we just do natural demonstrations

319
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there's still performances that they've

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changed nothing you'd never see a

321
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commitment to improve the actual

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environment these animals live in you

323
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just don't see it that's not where the

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industry's minds ever go it's always

325
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profits first when it comes on the backs

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of these incredibly intelligent animals

327
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the toll is too much hmm well you make

328
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some good points and that's always a

329
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frustration for me and the wide range of

330
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subjects we cover is people will write

331
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me and say well how do we do this better

332
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and I'm like some things you just can't

333
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do some things you shouldn't do and

334
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maybe keeping whales and marine mammals

335
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in captivity is just something we can't

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do the infrastructure will never allow

337
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for the quality of life that these

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animals need you just nailed it it will

339
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never it's just as simple as that so the

340
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future is a buffer and so what's

341
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actually being adopted now what's being

342
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discussed and being slowly implemented

343
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but it is the future is it a seaside

344
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sanctuary so what's gonna happen is

345
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you're going to have a few or door a

346
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coastline sounds like it's going to be

347
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in the east or west coast of North

348
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America so let's call it Canada and

349
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shared perhaps with the with the US you

350
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could take these animals out of there

351
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captive environments put them in a

352
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massive fenced-in environment so they're

353
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still captive they're still under human

354
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care but they're in the sea and they're

355
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feeling the rhythm of the natural

356
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rhythms of the sea and they're

357
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interacting with fish hunting them if

358
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they can they're interacting with

359
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wildlife the water is constantly

360
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changing they are under the Sun and the

361
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stars bear in mind a lot of these

362
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animals in captivity once they're in

363
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these pools they're under actual

364
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artificial lighting 24/7 for the

365
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remainder

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their lives can you imagine an animal

367
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that would otherwise be sleeping under

368
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the dead of midnight in the sea the dead

369
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quiet of midnight something you and I

370
00:13:35,740 --> 00:13:34,370
don't even know we can't even understand

371
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what that's like and these animals will

372
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never experience that again I think it's

373
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just an absolute tragic we don't think

374
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about these little things but imagine

375
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being under lights 24/7 it's a problem

376
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with the mindset that we are separate

377
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from our environment none of us are

378
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everything's interconnected people in

379
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Asia are having success with forest

380
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bathing when they're sick just going out

381
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into the woods because we are kind of

382
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captive through the debt slavery system

383
00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:04,760
I mean a lot of people don't see

384
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sunlight during the nine to five as sad

385
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as it is and on the weekends they're too

386
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tired to even deal with it but the

387
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sunlight the air we breathe the whole

388
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environment it's a holistic system and

389
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when you shelter someone when you

390
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quarantine them away from that animal or

391
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human there's problems that man you

392
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nailed it and then you start introducing

393
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drugs and then you start introducing

394
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starvation methods the language that

395
00:14:33,130 --> 00:14:31,040
trainers use now is called positive

396
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reinforcement and the way that they will

397
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rationalize their training system is we

398
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ignore the things we don't want the

399
00:14:42,310 --> 00:14:39,260
animals to do we don't punish which

400
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merely ignore okay the term is ignore

401
00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:43,850
and then when the animal is doing

402
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something that we deem positive then we

403
00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:47,660
reinforce it which means food which

404
00:14:51,250 --> 00:14:49,970
means you feed them so when they say

405
00:14:53,770 --> 00:14:51,260
something to the effect of well we don't

406
00:14:55,210 --> 00:14:53,780
punish we just ignore bad behavior well

407
00:14:57,670 --> 00:14:55,220
by virtue of ignoring it it means you

408
00:14:58,870 --> 00:14:57,680
are not giving them food until they give

409
00:15:00,520 --> 00:14:58,880
you something positive well you know

410
00:15:02,140 --> 00:15:00,530
what's positive when an animal is

411
00:15:03,700 --> 00:15:02,150
swimming away from you and you're not

412
00:15:06,220 --> 00:15:03,710
giving it food you're just ignoring it

413
00:15:07,390 --> 00:15:06,230
coming back when it's hungry and then

414
00:15:09,220 --> 00:15:07,400
you feed it again you say you see how

415
00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:09,230
this works and then you go from there

416
00:15:13,030 --> 00:15:10,970
but trainers today will try to tell you

417
00:15:15,220 --> 00:15:13,040
oh we just conditioned the animals to

418
00:15:16,810 --> 00:15:15,230
positive reinforcement no no no no no

419
00:15:18,340 --> 00:15:16,820
they introduced the animal to the

420
00:15:19,900 --> 00:15:18,350
flipside of that which is starvation

421
00:15:22,930 --> 00:15:19,910
it's simple the animals are there

422
00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:22,940
surviving trixin language we see in so

423
00:15:27,430 --> 00:15:25,250
many different areas and we can't go

424
00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:27,440
much farther without talking about

425
00:15:32,380 --> 00:15:30,170
smooshy tell us about this walrus and

426
00:15:34,450 --> 00:15:32,390
how you formed the bond with it I just

427
00:15:36,310 --> 00:15:34,460
like to note that it's an anomalous

428
00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:36,320
relationship this is not something you a

429
00:15:39,519 --> 00:15:37,170
Ken

430
00:15:42,919 --> 00:15:39,529
creates can make happen can manufacture

431
00:15:45,590 --> 00:15:42,929
artificially it's a scientific anomaly

432
00:15:47,660 --> 00:15:45,600
what happened was at a young age smooshy

433
00:15:50,059 --> 00:15:47,670
was captured in Russia she was brought

434
00:15:51,349 --> 00:15:50,069
to Marineland during a procedure where

435
00:15:54,409 --> 00:15:51,359
we were trying to draw blood from

436
00:15:55,909 --> 00:15:54,419
another animal another walrus it was you

437
00:15:58,039 --> 00:15:55,919
know it was a frantic scene she got very

438
00:16:00,109 --> 00:15:58,049
nervous she is especially a protective

439
00:16:02,389 --> 00:16:00,119
animal but walruses in general are

440
00:16:04,340 --> 00:16:02,399
protective so she tried to protect the

441
00:16:06,799 --> 00:16:04,350
animal that we were we were trying to

442
00:16:08,599 --> 00:16:06,809
hold down while we were sticking a

443
00:16:10,579 --> 00:16:08,609
needle in her to try to pull blood out

444
00:16:13,429 --> 00:16:10,589
to be able to you know analyze their

445
00:16:15,949 --> 00:16:13,439
health well during this sort of chaos I

446
00:16:18,769 --> 00:16:15,959
broken away from trying to subdue the

447
00:16:21,590 --> 00:16:18,779
the other walrus and I tried to sort of

448
00:16:22,699 --> 00:16:21,600
distract smooshy from the scene to keep

449
00:16:24,799 --> 00:16:22,709
her from climbing us you know she's

450
00:16:26,359 --> 00:16:24,809
still like almost 300 pounds so I put my

451
00:16:29,030 --> 00:16:26,369
hands in front of her face and you know

452
00:16:31,970 --> 00:16:29,040
there was just this moment where she

453
00:16:34,669 --> 00:16:31,980
took this deep breath and I saw her eyes

454
00:16:38,199 --> 00:16:34,679
just I mean it's as if they'd opened

455
00:16:40,340 --> 00:16:38,209
right up and something happened and

456
00:16:42,590 --> 00:16:40,350
scientists that I had spoken that we

457
00:16:44,239 --> 00:16:42,600
have since spoken to long before any of

458
00:16:46,729 --> 00:16:44,249
our controversy between Maria and I

459
00:16:48,470 --> 00:16:46,739
explained to to us that what happened

460
00:16:52,309 --> 00:16:48,480
was her brain circuitry must have

461
00:16:55,100 --> 00:16:52,319
reopened amidst the chaos and in that

462
00:16:57,590 --> 00:16:55,110
very brief instant am i putting my hands

463
00:17:00,470 --> 00:16:57,600
in front of her face her seeing me

464
00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:00,480
hearing me and smelling me what happened

465
00:17:06,799 --> 00:17:04,010
was her I tattooed all of my senses

466
00:17:10,549 --> 00:17:06,809
tattooed on her brain i imprinted on her

467
00:17:13,159 --> 00:17:10,559
in the exact way that a newborn calf

468
00:17:15,289 --> 00:17:13,169
will imprint on a mother so that they're

469
00:17:18,199 --> 00:17:15,299
able to identify these these babies

470
00:17:21,350 --> 00:17:18,209
amidst herds of thousands so I in

471
00:17:23,509 --> 00:17:21,360
essence in that moment became smoochies

472
00:17:25,189 --> 00:17:23,519
mom and so when you try to consider what

473
00:17:27,139 --> 00:17:25,199
the relationship is between animal and

474
00:17:29,870 --> 00:17:27,149
calf let's say mother and calf or even

475
00:17:31,279 --> 00:17:29,880
just daughter and mother have to stress

476
00:17:33,289 --> 00:17:31,289
that it's a it's a maternal like

477
00:17:35,269 --> 00:17:33,299
relationship that's what I share with

478
00:17:38,269 --> 00:17:35,279
her that's the relationship I share with

479
00:17:39,830 --> 00:17:38,279
when I talk about stealing a walrus life

480
00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:39,840
is short steal a walrus what I'm really

481
00:17:44,570 --> 00:17:41,850
saying is life is short I'm gonna go

482
00:17:46,669 --> 00:17:44,580
steal my daughter it's a really odd and

483
00:17:49,490 --> 00:17:46,679
strange thing to say but that's the

484
00:17:50,510 --> 00:17:49,500
level of resolve I have that's the power

485
00:17:53,210 --> 00:17:50,520
of

486
00:17:55,820 --> 00:17:53,220
relationship is that she is family to me

487
00:17:58,460 --> 00:17:55,830
like that is not just that's not like

488
00:18:01,460 --> 00:17:58,470
you say a robot piece of meat that's not

489
00:18:03,260 --> 00:18:01,470
just a meat suit clad person that's

490
00:18:05,270 --> 00:18:03,270
that's my family

491
00:18:08,390 --> 00:18:05,280
they're holding my family against her

492
00:18:09,740 --> 00:18:08,400
will now and they're doing worse anyway

493
00:18:11,120 --> 00:18:09,750
I don't want to get going too much now

494
00:18:14,360 --> 00:18:11,130
I'm getting spidered up next thing you

495
00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:14,370
know the phone in the river it happens

496
00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:16,290
it happens and we definitely like odd

497
00:18:20,300 --> 00:18:18,450
and strange around here so dude I'm

498
00:18:22,370 --> 00:18:20,310
seven years into this if you think even

499
00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:22,380
for a moment that loss tonight Oda of

500
00:18:26,120 --> 00:18:24,570
resolve since day one that I was going

501
00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:26,130
to fight like hell for that animal you

502
00:18:30,890 --> 00:18:28,290
dead ass wrong just as Marineland would

503
00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:30,900
be I have not changed my resolve has not

504
00:18:38,660 --> 00:18:34,290
changed one bit they have not in any way

505
00:18:41,030 --> 00:18:38,670
shape or form diluted my my will to

506
00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:41,040
fight whatsoever they've not compromised

507
00:18:46,100 --> 00:18:42,810
it in fact they've only made it stronger

508
00:18:48,590 --> 00:18:46,110
they continue to that's good to hear so

509
00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:48,600
you get this job at Marineland you form

510
00:18:53,390 --> 00:18:50,850
this bond with this walrus you worked

511
00:18:57,590 --> 00:18:53,400
there for 12 years talk to us about

512
00:18:59,600 --> 00:18:57,600
quitting I mean I guess were you pretty

513
00:19:02,030 --> 00:18:59,610
outspoken up to that point was there a

514
00:19:04,310 --> 00:19:02,040
last straw kind of moment what happened

515
00:19:05,930 --> 00:19:04,320
there was there was definitely all of

516
00:19:08,120 --> 00:19:05,940
that I was certainly outspoken and at

517
00:19:10,130 --> 00:19:08,130
this point I'd been deemed a problem

518
00:19:12,530 --> 00:19:10,140
employee I've been sort of pulled aside

519
00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:12,540
look Marineland is a mom-and-pop joint

520
00:19:15,830 --> 00:19:14,010
does not know hundreds of employees I

521
00:19:17,510 --> 00:19:15,840
mean we're talking about dozens at best

522
00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:17,520
so everyone gets to know each other

523
00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:19,290
pretty well and there really isn't

524
00:19:23,690 --> 00:19:21,210
divide between management and staff

525
00:19:25,730 --> 00:19:23,700
anyway so I got to sort of the heads up

526
00:19:27,500 --> 00:19:25,740
from a HR that you know listen Phil

527
00:19:28,820 --> 00:19:27,510
you've been asking the wrong questions

528
00:19:32,330 --> 00:19:28,830
you've been barking up the wrong tree

529
00:19:35,030 --> 00:19:32,340
even ruffling feathers she said you know

530
00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:35,040
John the owner said John you think's

531
00:19:38,510 --> 00:19:36,810
your problem employee so what had

532
00:19:41,180 --> 00:19:38,520
happened is I started to lose some of my

533
00:19:43,130 --> 00:19:41,190
you know I was unable to to hire people

534
00:19:45,170 --> 00:19:43,140
suddenly I was no longer dive supervisor

535
00:19:45,860 --> 00:19:45,180
like things were changing for me they

536
00:19:47,060 --> 00:19:45,870
were making it a little bit

537
00:19:49,340 --> 00:19:47,070
uncomfortable so I got sort of the

538
00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:49,350
heads-up of what's happening as for last

539
00:19:54,020 --> 00:19:52,290
straws one morning I walked in and we

540
00:19:55,700 --> 00:19:54,030
were two weeks to the opening of the

541
00:19:58,610 --> 00:19:55,710
park because marie-line closes in the

542
00:20:00,050 --> 00:19:58,620
winter over the course of that my last

543
00:20:01,970 --> 00:20:00,060
winter there was a break in a

544
00:20:03,260 --> 00:20:01,980
disinfection a water disinfection unit

545
00:20:03,710 --> 00:20:03,270
which caused the water to go really

546
00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:03,720
really

547
00:20:12,260 --> 00:20:09,690
for the duration of the winter and much

548
00:20:14,210 --> 00:20:12,270
of my complaining and arguing was that

549
00:20:16,190 --> 00:20:14,220
not enough was being done because the

550
00:20:17,360 --> 00:20:16,200
animals were suffering incredibly and on

551
00:20:19,190 --> 00:20:17,370
account to the fact that the park was

552
00:20:19,850 --> 00:20:19,200
closed there was no urgency in fixing

553
00:20:22,190 --> 00:20:19,860
the problem

554
00:20:24,169 --> 00:20:22,200
the owner was more inclined to eat soup

555
00:20:26,779 --> 00:20:24,179
at Tim Hortons and take baths three

556
00:20:29,690 --> 00:20:26,789
times a day than to actually address the

557
00:20:31,850 --> 00:20:29,700
problems so that she took my quitting to

558
00:20:33,289 --> 00:20:31,860
fix the water albeit they were obviously

559
00:20:35,029 --> 00:20:33,299
having to do something because the park

560
00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:35,039
was gonna open but anyways I come

561
00:20:39,890 --> 00:20:36,690
strolling into the office and I could

562
00:20:42,230 --> 00:20:39,900
smell that the evening prior they must

563
00:20:43,909 --> 00:20:42,240
have dosed the water with a huge

564
00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:43,919
concentrated amount of chlorine because

565
00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:45,570
it hit me like a right hook to the face

566
00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:48,570
and I knew what the effects would be on

567
00:20:51,409 --> 00:20:50,010
the animals this wasn't the first time

568
00:20:53,120 --> 00:20:51,419
this happened but this was Marine Lines

569
00:20:54,830 --> 00:20:53,130
resolve rather than actually try to fix

570
00:20:56,090 --> 00:20:54,840
the machines that were broken they

571
00:20:58,399 --> 00:20:56,100
thought they would fix the water by

572
00:20:59,570 --> 00:20:58,409
dumping barrels of I mean I don't want

573
00:21:01,100 --> 00:20:59,580
to say it because you know it's always

574
00:21:02,450 --> 00:21:01,110
an illegal Eagle II sensitive matter

575
00:21:03,950 --> 00:21:02,460
with me every time I open my mouth of

576
00:21:06,049 --> 00:21:03,960
what was actually happening there but

577
00:21:08,570 --> 00:21:06,059
nonetheless assume assume really

578
00:21:10,490 --> 00:21:08,580
horrible amounts of chlorine were going

579
00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:10,500
into the water I couldn't do it no more

580
00:21:14,630 --> 00:21:12,450
just the thought of going back to the

581
00:21:16,549 --> 00:21:14,640
warehouse it's called where the animals

582
00:21:18,460 --> 00:21:16,559
were and seeing what condition they were

583
00:21:20,990 --> 00:21:18,470
gonna be and was just turning my stomach

584
00:21:23,060 --> 00:21:21,000
and so I in that moment right there and

585
00:21:26,120 --> 00:21:23,070
then I typed up a very brief two-week

586
00:21:29,419 --> 00:21:26,130
sort of like quit I sent it to the now

587
00:21:30,980 --> 00:21:29,429
former CFO I see seed my supervisor and

588
00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:30,990
I said I'm not [\h__\h] doing this no

589
00:21:34,789 --> 00:21:33,090
more and then just shy of two weeks

590
00:21:38,060 --> 00:21:34,799
later I had an exit interview that I

591
00:21:39,230 --> 00:21:38,070
insisted on with the owner and CFO and I

592
00:21:42,289 --> 00:21:39,240
told them things they didn't like to

593
00:21:44,810 --> 00:21:42,299
hear and they reminded me that I signed

594
00:21:47,539 --> 00:21:44,820
a nondisclosure agreement I said to them

595
00:21:49,340 --> 00:21:47,549
did I go get me a copy then because

596
00:21:50,990 --> 00:21:49,350
unbeknownst to them I in fact didn't

597
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:51,000
sign it I don't know how I got away with

598
00:21:55,669 --> 00:21:53,010
it but I was the one and only employee

599
00:21:57,740 --> 00:21:55,679
that didn't sign the non-disclosure so

600
00:21:59,570 --> 00:21:57,750
that's how I ended and they said I

601
00:22:00,740 --> 00:21:59,580
walked out I'm like okay that's that you

602
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:00,750
know but the thing is I should mention

603
00:22:05,090 --> 00:22:02,850
that I'd left marina a not a fairly

604
00:22:06,770 --> 00:22:05,100
positive note because despite my having

605
00:22:08,270 --> 00:22:06,780
to give up and leave and leave smooshy

606
00:22:09,950 --> 00:22:08,280
and all these crazy things it wasn't

607
00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:09,960
without the agreement that I was still

608
00:22:13,039 --> 00:22:12,210
able to still be part of her life and I

609
00:22:14,419 --> 00:22:13,049
wouldn't have been able to quit

610
00:22:16,340 --> 00:22:14,429
otherwise so I you know I got to stress

611
00:22:16,669 --> 00:22:16,350
that and so I thought that we were going

612
00:22:18,499 --> 00:22:16,679
to move

613
00:22:19,970 --> 00:22:18,509
forward in such a way that I can move

614
00:22:22,159 --> 00:22:19,980
forward in life without the daily

615
00:22:24,139 --> 00:22:22,169
whatever it is that's depressing my life

616
00:22:25,999 --> 00:22:24,149
that's going on at Marineland but I'm

617
00:22:27,350 --> 00:22:26,009
still able to help in the same capacity

618
00:22:28,940 --> 00:22:27,360
that I had because you know I listen

619
00:22:30,529 --> 00:22:28,950
with my experience and knowing the

620
00:22:31,759 --> 00:22:30,539
animals as much as I did and I was good

621
00:22:33,799 --> 00:22:31,769
at what I did you know there were times

622
00:22:35,509 --> 00:22:33,809
that I just was needed and I was in fact

623
00:22:37,430 --> 00:22:35,519
after I was quit Marineland called me

624
00:22:38,899 --> 00:22:37,440
back in they needed me to feed a dolphin

625
00:22:40,369 --> 00:22:38,909
that wasn't eating and I did we had this

626
00:22:42,049 --> 00:22:40,379
relationship moving forward but there

627
00:22:44,570 --> 00:22:42,059
was you know there was an incident that

628
00:22:47,029 --> 00:22:44,580
happened largely it's what inspired me

629
00:22:48,289 --> 00:22:47,039
to speak out when that relationship it

630
00:22:50,210 --> 00:22:48,299
became evident that that relationship

631
00:22:51,739 --> 00:22:50,220
was in bad faith and marie-line

632
00:22:53,810 --> 00:22:51,749
negotiated with me in bad faith

633
00:22:56,690 --> 00:22:53,820
ultimately that's what led to to me

634
00:22:58,009 --> 00:22:56,700
agreeing to speak out publicly you know

635
00:22:59,480 --> 00:22:58,019
a newspaper had been calling and they

636
00:23:02,509 --> 00:22:59,490
wanted to do an expose I'm real and I

637
00:23:03,919 --> 00:23:02,519
was I was having none of it but I saw

638
00:23:05,749 --> 00:23:03,929
solution one day and just the absolute

639
00:23:07,249 --> 00:23:05,759
worst condition it became evident that

640
00:23:09,499 --> 00:23:07,259
they not only were they not going to

641
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:09,509
keep me in the loop in helping her they

642
00:23:13,129 --> 00:23:11,490
were willing to let the very worst

643
00:23:15,739 --> 00:23:13,139
happen I saw it with my own eyes in fact

644
00:23:17,210 --> 00:23:15,749
I took pictures of it I have them you'll

645
00:23:18,859 --> 00:23:17,220
see them one day and that's when I

646
00:23:20,299 --> 00:23:18,869
decided to speak out I said if I don't

647
00:23:22,129 --> 00:23:20,309
speak out who she's gonna die and I'll

648
00:23:23,830 --> 00:23:22,139
be damned if she dies with us like and

649
00:23:27,310 --> 00:23:23,840
that was seven years ago

650
00:23:29,749 --> 00:23:27,320
man I just I'm always fascinated by

651
00:23:31,879 --> 00:23:29,759
synchronicity or these instances where

652
00:23:34,159 --> 00:23:31,889
the universe tends to provide and when

653
00:23:36,980 --> 00:23:34,169
you factor in how rare this is to have

654
00:23:38,779 --> 00:23:36,990
the imprinting happen the journey that

655
00:23:40,460 --> 00:23:38,789
you've been on I mean Jimmy Kimmel's

656
00:23:42,619 --> 00:23:40,470
talked about you you've been on Rogan a

657
00:23:46,549 --> 00:23:42,629
couple times you've been on Mike Tyson's

658
00:23:48,879 --> 00:23:46,559
podcast all along this way how funny it

659
00:23:51,109 --> 00:23:48,889
is that you didn't sign that NDA and

660
00:23:52,609 --> 00:23:51,119
what you've done with that because a lot

661
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:52,619
of other people would just be like oh

662
00:23:56,539 --> 00:23:54,330
that's the end of the story i sat in the

663
00:23:59,419 --> 00:23:56,549
NDA and so I just think that's really

664
00:24:02,480 --> 00:23:59,429
fascinating dude I will tell you this

665
00:24:04,909 --> 00:24:02,490
amidst all of this I have not made a

666
00:24:07,810 --> 00:24:04,919
single solitary decision all I've had

667
00:24:10,639 --> 00:24:07,820
all I've done is watch every alternative

668
00:24:13,009 --> 00:24:10,649
get taken away from me and I've been

669
00:24:15,139 --> 00:24:13,019
taken and led down an impossible path

670
00:24:17,210 --> 00:24:15,149
all I keep saying is that I've got the

671
00:24:18,980 --> 00:24:17,220
best seat in the house because all I'm

672
00:24:20,029 --> 00:24:18,990
doing is being a witness call me crazy

673
00:24:22,220 --> 00:24:20,039
and I'm comfortable with that

674
00:24:24,649 --> 00:24:22,230
but I've not made a decision whatsoever

675
00:24:26,810 --> 00:24:24,659
in terms of the universe providing there

676
00:24:28,549 --> 00:24:26,820
was a moment when I was sitting in my

677
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:28,559
bedroom I was curled up in the fetal

678
00:24:32,870 --> 00:24:30,570
position rocking back and forth with my

679
00:24:35,450 --> 00:24:32,880
had with my eyes clutch shut which means

680
00:24:38,120 --> 00:24:35,460
I was deep inside I had to make a

681
00:24:40,340 --> 00:24:38,130
decision and I said I'm gonna jump off

682
00:24:43,789 --> 00:24:40,350
the edge and I'm gonna let the universe

683
00:24:46,580 --> 00:24:43,799
do what it is clearly not allowing me

684
00:24:48,379 --> 00:24:46,590
not to and I and as the second that I

685
00:24:50,120 --> 00:24:48,389
let that go and let that resistance go

686
00:24:51,830 --> 00:24:50,130
and I just allowed everything to flow

687
00:24:53,690 --> 00:24:51,840
everything lined up in the most

688
00:24:54,860 --> 00:24:53,700
impossible way that here we are seven

689
00:24:58,399 --> 00:24:54,870
years later and I'm negotiating over

690
00:25:01,460 --> 00:24:58,409
[\h__\h] of waters yes man it's a beautiful

691
00:25:04,279 --> 00:25:01,470
thing and in terms of the legal battle

692
00:25:06,799 --> 00:25:04,289
we're very understanding of slap suits

693
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:06,809
these strategic lawsuits against public

694
00:25:11,330 --> 00:25:09,450
participation it's a major corporate

695
00:25:13,369 --> 00:25:11,340
tactic to keep people like yourself

696
00:25:16,999 --> 00:25:13,379
quiet and to keep situations like this

697
00:25:19,039 --> 00:25:17,009
from becoming bigger movements when did

698
00:25:21,379 --> 00:25:19,049
this start and has it been a burden for

699
00:25:24,409 --> 00:25:21,389
you these whole six to seven years the

700
00:25:26,869 --> 00:25:24,419
legal lawsuit aspect I imagine what I'm

701
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:26,879
able to breathe easy and look back at

702
00:25:31,490 --> 00:25:29,129
everything in retrospect my job will

703
00:25:34,700 --> 00:25:31,500
probably break off on its way to the

704
00:25:36,590 --> 00:25:34,710
floor it's difficult to explain how I've

705
00:25:40,029 --> 00:25:36,600
gotten through it I don't know myself

706
00:25:42,950 --> 00:25:40,039
because I've just allowed myself to

707
00:25:45,830 --> 00:25:42,960
embrace everything including the

708
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:45,840
sleepless nights that I mean I've had I

709
00:25:50,539 --> 00:25:47,850
don't have to tell you but there's

710
00:25:51,860 --> 00:25:50,549
something about my resolve and again it

711
00:25:55,249 --> 00:25:51,870
can only come from something that I

712
00:25:57,049 --> 00:25:55,259
can't explain that makes it such that I

713
00:25:58,940 --> 00:25:57,059
have teetered on the edge of disaster

714
00:26:00,649 --> 00:25:58,950
now I have gone broke three times I've

715
00:26:03,129 --> 00:26:00,659
gone dead-ass Brooke where this is the

716
00:26:05,869 --> 00:26:03,139
end I have one last breath if I and

717
00:26:08,749 --> 00:26:05,879
somehow in the eleventh hour and if I

718
00:26:11,749 --> 00:26:08,759
told you all these 11th hour nail-biters

719
00:26:14,029 --> 00:26:11,759
that I've just just got the best seat in

720
00:26:15,980 --> 00:26:14,039
the house so as tough and as crazy as

721
00:26:18,799 --> 00:26:15,990
it's been it's something I'll have to

722
00:26:19,669 --> 00:26:18,809
explain in retrospect because in it it's

723
00:26:21,230 --> 00:26:19,679
just too damn heavy

724
00:26:23,899 --> 00:26:21,240
like every time I even try to take a

725
00:26:26,450 --> 00:26:23,909
look at it and I consider myself free

726
00:26:28,369 --> 00:26:26,460
from it all I almost well up with this

727
00:26:31,100 --> 00:26:28,379
hyper emotion because I think the

728
00:26:33,139 --> 00:26:31,110
prospect of being free of all of this is

729
00:26:34,850 --> 00:26:33,149
so powerful that I won't even allow

730
00:26:36,740 --> 00:26:34,860
myself to consider it because it's still

731
00:26:38,659 --> 00:26:36,750
I mean look we're seven years into it

732
00:26:40,340 --> 00:26:38,669
this could last a lot more years I don't

733
00:26:41,779 --> 00:26:40,350
know I mean you know it's a slap suit

734
00:26:43,390 --> 00:26:41,789
you know other sense or you know no I

735
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:43,400
mean we don't know how this ends

736
00:26:48,010 --> 00:26:46,010
not in this case but you know the game

737
00:26:49,540 --> 00:26:48,020
and Marineland in fact is playing it as

738
00:26:51,700 --> 00:26:49,550
we speak they've they've just threatened

739
00:26:56,020 --> 00:26:51,710
another motion looks like we've we're

740
00:26:57,850 --> 00:26:56,030
going to court in April because you know

741
00:26:59,680 --> 00:26:57,860
they're filing the motion in legal

742
00:27:02,440 --> 00:26:59,690
matters what happens is the plaintiff

743
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:02,450
and the defendants are allotted a series

744
00:27:06,940 --> 00:27:04,490
of different motions their hearings

745
00:27:10,090 --> 00:27:06,950
where you're asking the judge the courts

746
00:27:11,950 --> 00:27:10,100
rather for for clarity on matters it's

747
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:11,960
very expensive you have to pay for court

748
00:27:16,510 --> 00:27:14,570
time my lawyers fees are very generously

749
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:16,520
in fact only three hundred and

750
00:27:19,810 --> 00:27:18,050
twenty-five dollars an hour I think the

751
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:19,820
student I think she only generously

752
00:27:23,890 --> 00:27:22,250
charges me maybe a hundred and fifty an

753
00:27:25,450 --> 00:27:23,900
hour or something so yeah they'll attack

754
00:27:27,730 --> 00:27:25,460
on a series of eight-hour days in

755
00:27:29,890 --> 00:27:27,740
preparation for and whatnot it becomes

756
00:27:31,150 --> 00:27:29,900
very costly and so that's marine lands

757
00:27:33,100 --> 00:27:31,160
game it's what they've done since day

758
00:27:34,930 --> 00:27:33,110
one but we're in such a position now

759
00:27:36,580 --> 00:27:34,940
that marine land can't get out of this

760
00:27:38,770 --> 00:27:36,590
lawsuit it's unfortunate for them but

761
00:27:41,740 --> 00:27:38,780
they've cornered themselves and to be

762
00:27:44,770 --> 00:27:41,750
honest I don't have an iota of empathy

763
00:27:46,750 --> 00:27:44,780
for them I have sympathy for them in

764
00:27:48,490 --> 00:27:46,760
every which way shape or form and I'm

765
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:48,500
gonna use sort of a hypothetical this

766
00:27:52,030 --> 00:27:50,210
isn't real don't send the police to my

767
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:52,040
house Marine land but in every which way

768
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:54,170
that I can use a baseball bat to their

769
00:28:01,150 --> 00:27:57,010
knees I'm going to until they topple or

770
00:28:04,450 --> 00:28:01,160
till we have this amicable agreement

771
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:04,460
which I'm steadfast and not negotiable

772
00:28:10,810 --> 00:28:08,570
on so if they don't want to get ruined

773
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:10,820
in a lawsuit that I'm going to win a

774
00:28:16,090 --> 00:28:13,730
trial that I'm going to take them to

775
00:28:18,940 --> 00:28:16,100
remember they sued me they want out of

776
00:28:21,730 --> 00:28:18,950
the law see a trial that I will force

777
00:28:23,020 --> 00:28:21,740
upon I will make happen

778
00:28:26,260 --> 00:28:23,030
this might them saying is never gonna

779
00:28:27,820 --> 00:28:26,270
happen I will make happen or we make

780
00:28:29,260 --> 00:28:27,830
this very easy I'm trying to make things

781
00:28:30,970 --> 00:28:29,270
very easy for a Marine man I can't make

782
00:28:32,799 --> 00:28:30,980
it easier for them at this point so I

783
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:32,809
know they see it the opposite they think

784
00:28:36,130 --> 00:28:34,250
that I'm making it very difficult I'm

785
00:28:37,990 --> 00:28:36,140
making this so easy for them I'm making

786
00:28:39,490 --> 00:28:38,000
it so easy for them to make them the

787
00:28:41,290 --> 00:28:39,500
right decision which is to move the

788
00:28:43,299 --> 00:28:41,300
walrus we have a facility in mind

789
00:28:45,490 --> 00:28:43,309
they're a willing facility they're a

790
00:28:47,890 --> 00:28:45,500
mere hour and a half away I can have

791
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:47,900
that walrus moved if I got a call today

792
00:28:51,660 --> 00:28:49,370
from marine land and they said hey

793
00:28:55,390 --> 00:28:51,670
listen take this walrus and take her to

794
00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:55,400
to the place I can have her there in

795
00:28:59,560 --> 00:28:57,650
three hours flat listen this

796
00:29:01,480 --> 00:28:59,570
just make this really easy or we'll make

797
00:29:03,010 --> 00:29:01,490
it very difficult here's something that

798
00:29:04,690 --> 00:29:03,020
needs to be stressed when I was

799
00:29:06,700 --> 00:29:04,700
negotiating for smooshy when I was

800
00:29:07,870 --> 00:29:06,710
fighting for smooshy not rather

801
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:07,880
negotiate when I was fighting for

802
00:29:13,690 --> 00:29:10,250
solution in 2012 and up until really

803
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:13,700
2015 there were five walruses prior to

804
00:29:17,950 --> 00:29:15,650
that there was even more today there's

805
00:29:20,500 --> 00:29:17,960
only one four have died in the last two

806
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:20,510
years walruses are social animals they

807
00:29:23,770 --> 00:29:22,250
she needs to be with other house forget

808
00:29:25,900 --> 00:29:23,780
the fact that she's living in a living

809
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:25,910
hell in terms of lack of the pools are

810
00:29:30,670 --> 00:29:28,490
hell you can see it it's all available

811
00:29:32,110 --> 00:29:30,680
online you can see the images all they

812
00:29:34,390 --> 00:29:32,120
gotta do is move her do the right thing

813
00:29:35,860 --> 00:29:34,400
for the animal I'm trying to get them to

814
00:29:37,570 --> 00:29:35,870
do the right thing it can't be done

815
00:29:39,070 --> 00:29:37,580
easier I'm willing to give everything at

816
00:29:40,450 --> 00:29:39,080
two that they want I'm just willing to

817
00:29:43,060 --> 00:29:40,460
walk away I'm up from my campaign

818
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:43,070
against them because I mean look there's

819
00:29:48,220 --> 00:29:45,050
ways that people negotiate some people

820
00:29:49,750 --> 00:29:48,230
like to say here's $100,000 why don't

821
00:29:53,290 --> 00:29:49,760
you go away and then there's other

822
00:29:56,710 --> 00:29:53,300
people that say how about I cost you a

823
00:29:59,710 --> 00:29:56,720
lot of money if you don't blah blah blah

824
00:30:02,620 --> 00:29:59,720
so the way I'm negotiate with Marineland

825
00:30:04,780 --> 00:30:02,630
is I can't say to them well you know I

826
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:04,790
don't know just give me just give me

827
00:30:07,810 --> 00:30:06,770
this much money I don't care it's not to

828
00:30:08,860 --> 00:30:07,820
me it's never been about money's not

829
00:30:10,030 --> 00:30:08,870
going to be about money they're not

830
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:10,040
gonna come up with a dollar figure that

831
00:30:15,130 --> 00:30:12,050
that makes me happy because the whatever

832
00:30:16,990 --> 00:30:15,140
dollar figure they give is a fraction of

833
00:30:20,380 --> 00:30:17,000
what it's cost them and what it's going

834
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:20,390
to cost them so my negotiating with them

835
00:30:25,660 --> 00:30:23,090
is simple if you don't want to lose

836
00:30:27,910 --> 00:30:25,670
everything just move the walrus it's so

837
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:27,920
easy how much easier can I make it

838
00:30:30,010 --> 00:30:29,570
anyways I'm starting to sound like an

839
00:30:32,740 --> 00:30:30,020
[\h__\h]

840
00:30:34,210 --> 00:30:32,750
listen Greg can you can you hear me are

841
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:34,220
you still there but if I bored you in

842
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:36,050
that straight silence all right no no

843
00:30:39,490 --> 00:30:38,090
I'm I'm in it I'm in it listen dude I'm

844
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:39,500
gonna take this bond rip because I feel

845
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:40,730
my head getting a little hot is that

846
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:43,250
cool a cuz that's it okay do you sorry

847
00:30:46,900 --> 00:30:44,930
but I've said around here you're in a

848
00:30:50,770 --> 00:30:46,910
safe space and rants are good too but

849
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:50,780
man this is kind of a tale as oldest

850
00:30:54,970 --> 00:30:52,850
time I interview a lot of people who get

851
00:30:56,830 --> 00:30:54,980
involved in legal battles and usually

852
00:30:59,410 --> 00:30:56,840
the people I interview have the moral

853
00:31:02,320 --> 00:30:59,420
side and the corporations have the money

854
00:31:04,090 --> 00:31:02,330
side and the system is set up for the

855
00:31:07,060 --> 00:31:04,100
people with the money side to typically

856
00:31:10,420 --> 00:31:07,070
win but something that I find that is

857
00:31:11,430 --> 00:31:10,430
very kind of karmically interesting is

858
00:31:13,500 --> 00:31:11,440
that

859
00:31:15,900 --> 00:31:13,510
these companies will try to break a

860
00:31:19,050 --> 00:31:15,910
person and if they have the resolve that

861
00:31:21,210 --> 00:31:19,060
you have and it gets to the phase of an

862
00:31:23,010 --> 00:31:21,220
actual trial now that scares the [\h__\h]

863
00:31:26,010 --> 00:31:23,020
out of these people because they don't

864
00:31:27,780 --> 00:31:26,020
want their dirty laundry aired in the

865
00:31:30,570 --> 00:31:27,790
courtroom they thought they were gonna

866
00:31:32,490 --> 00:31:30,580
get rid of you long ago that's exactly

867
00:31:34,650 --> 00:31:32,500
it there's the no other plan there's no

868
00:31:36,230 --> 00:31:34,660
contingency plan and I've got them in a

869
00:31:38,990 --> 00:31:36,240
place where they're very uncomfortable

870
00:31:41,700 --> 00:31:39,000
okay it's funny because you know I am

871
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:41,710
countersuing them in defamation you know

872
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:43,570
it's funny to think about it but imagine

873
00:31:49,770 --> 00:31:46,210
a defense where I sue the [\h__\h] out of

874
00:31:52,110 --> 00:31:49,780
you i smear you I create outright lies

875
00:31:54,210 --> 00:31:52,120
that I know are lies that I can't prove

876
00:31:56,010 --> 00:31:54,220
about you because you can make any claim

877
00:31:57,990 --> 00:31:56,020
at a lawsuit by the way and newspapers

878
00:32:00,930 --> 00:31:58,000
and journalists will take those claims

879
00:32:02,550 --> 00:32:00,940
and will will spew them word-for-word as

880
00:32:03,630 --> 00:32:02,560
long as at the end they say something to

881
00:32:04,860 --> 00:32:03,640
the effect of you know none of these

882
00:32:06,660 --> 00:32:04,870
allegations have been proven in court

883
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:06,670
they're able to put picture I mean it's

884
00:32:11,070 --> 00:32:09,250
it's pretty it's almost like a legal

885
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:11,080
form of defamation if you want to ruin

886
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:13,090
someone file a lawsuit make absurd

887
00:32:15,660 --> 00:32:14,650
claims and it let the media grab it

888
00:32:17,460 --> 00:32:15,670
especially if you've got a friendly

889
00:32:18,660 --> 00:32:17,470
corporate media around here and you know

890
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:18,670
see where it goes that's what you know

891
00:32:24,390 --> 00:32:20,890
Murray men tried to do to me but imagine

892
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:24,400
if that failed so imagine if their

893
00:32:31,620 --> 00:32:28,330
defense to to my defamation is well how

894
00:32:34,350 --> 00:32:31,630
could you claim defamation if our

895
00:32:35,970 --> 00:32:34,360
illegal lawsuit didn't work in their

896
00:32:38,340 --> 00:32:35,980
head like if my reputation hasn't

897
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:38,350
suffered how is it what they've done can

898
00:32:42,030 --> 00:32:40,690
be deemed illegal kind of a weird legal

899
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:42,040
question isn't it it's like it's like

900
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:43,450
look it didn't work dude we tried to

901
00:32:47,850 --> 00:32:44,770
ruin your life and it didn't work we

902
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:47,860
don't owe you nothing Yeah right and man

903
00:32:51,630 --> 00:32:49,450
I'm so glad we could give the listeners

904
00:32:53,580 --> 00:32:51,640
all this background context but this is

905
00:32:56,670 --> 00:32:53,590
the big question I've been wanting to

906
00:32:58,860 --> 00:32:56,680
get to it seems like obviously your

907
00:33:00,570 --> 00:32:58,870
biggest priority is this walrus

908
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:00,580
obviously the whole thing

909
00:33:04,710 --> 00:33:02,770
probably needs to come down the whole

910
00:33:07,290 --> 00:33:04,720
company or the structure of keeping

911
00:33:09,810 --> 00:33:07,300
animals in captivity but you want this

912
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:09,820
walrus freed and this legal battle has

913
00:33:13,500 --> 00:33:11,530
gone on for years you've been on Joe

914
00:33:14,100 --> 00:33:13,510
Rogan four times you're very vocal on

915
00:33:16,350 --> 00:33:14,110
Twitter

916
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:16,360
you're here now why haven't they just

917
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:18,490
given her up because there's no way the

918
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:20,650
value of a single walrus that they don't

919
00:33:26,730 --> 00:33:23,290
even seem to use very much is worth

920
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:26,740
ongoing PR damage nightmare here's why

921
00:33:33,450 --> 00:33:31,210
because the former now deceased owner

922
00:33:35,670 --> 00:33:33,460
John holder I invite you to google his

923
00:33:38,700 --> 00:33:35,680
name a very controversial very

924
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:38,710
vindictive violent I want to say too

925
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:40,090
much about it because I can also say

926
00:33:42,810 --> 00:33:41,530
that I can also say very nice things

927
00:33:44,610 --> 00:33:42,820
about him - so it's unfair sometimes

928
00:33:46,170 --> 00:33:44,620
that he gets painted exclusively as this

929
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:46,180
evil evil person but you know we're

930
00:33:50,730 --> 00:33:48,730
capable of awful things he especially

931
00:33:52,710 --> 00:33:50,740
but also he was capable of generous

932
00:33:55,380 --> 00:33:52,720
things I'm just saying Marineland has a

933
00:33:56,970 --> 00:33:55,390
lawyer who is now operating a sole

934
00:33:58,710 --> 00:33:56,980
controlling mine his job is to

935
00:34:01,110 --> 00:33:58,720
transition this business from what it

936
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:01,120
was to what it's going to be which is

937
00:34:04,950 --> 00:34:03,250
essentially chopped up and sold he's

938
00:34:07,980 --> 00:34:04,960
there to protect the holder family

939
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:07,990
legacy there's now a widow one single

940
00:34:11,250 --> 00:34:09,850
remaining son the other one it was a

941
00:34:13,230 --> 00:34:11,260
friend of mine unfortunately passed away

942
00:34:14,550 --> 00:34:13,240
amidst all of this and you know there's

943
00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:14,560
few family members but nonetheless

944
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:17,169
there's a revenge plot from beyond and

945
00:34:22,649 --> 00:34:20,290
the owner the now dead owner I am

946
00:34:25,740 --> 00:34:22,659
certain of it made provisions that that

947
00:34:28,530 --> 00:34:25,750
walrus is to die at the park under no

948
00:34:30,330 --> 00:34:28,540
circumstances is she to leave now this

949
00:34:32,490 --> 00:34:30,340
was this arrangement was made when there

950
00:34:35,850 --> 00:34:32,500
were five walruses there I can see how

951
00:34:37,770 --> 00:34:35,860
her dying in the same way as the other

952
00:34:39,690 --> 00:34:37,780
four that just have you know you just

953
00:34:41,909 --> 00:34:39,700
make the announcement that's it but now

954
00:34:45,990 --> 00:34:41,919
that she's the last remaining walrus it

955
00:34:48,450 --> 00:34:46,000
changes the landscape entirely now that

956
00:34:51,270 --> 00:34:48,460
the Toronto Zoo is building a walrus

957
00:34:53,970 --> 00:34:51,280
facility that will be ready in March

958
00:34:56,340 --> 00:34:53,980
which isn't only an hour and a half away

959
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:56,350
imagine that now that that has happened

960
00:35:02,630 --> 00:34:57,850
and that's something I had to move that

961
00:35:05,670 --> 00:35:02,640
I am comfortable with with with making

962
00:35:09,900 --> 00:35:05,680
the landscape now is such that if

963
00:35:12,750 --> 00:35:09,910
Marineland says no it's because they're

964
00:35:13,410 --> 00:35:12,760
killing her they have zero excuses

965
00:35:17,070 --> 00:35:13,420
anymore

966
00:35:19,350 --> 00:35:17,080
if they have even an iota of interest in

967
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:19,360
the best interest of smooshy they need

968
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:21,610
to move her to a place where she could

969
00:35:26,670 --> 00:35:24,130
be with other members of her species a

970
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:26,680
place that is only an hour and a half

971
00:35:32,190 --> 00:35:29,170
away dude that's the universe setting up

972
00:35:34,380 --> 00:35:32,200
the pins my friend that's as crazy as it

973
00:35:37,020 --> 00:35:34,390
gets that is where we're at and I

974
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:37,030
understand the idea of just this really

975
00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:39,610
rich owner being so stubborn because

976
00:35:45,090 --> 00:35:42,250
he's used to getting his way and this is

977
00:35:47,190 --> 00:35:45,100
kind of dark but why not just let her

978
00:35:48,900 --> 00:35:47,200
die I mean she's been in there for seven

979
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:48,910
years while you're fighting if he's not

980
00:35:53,190 --> 00:35:51,130
gonna give her up to you the other

981
00:35:55,590 --> 00:35:53,200
walruses have died why even keep this

982
00:35:57,750 --> 00:35:55,600
one alive you could stop feeding her for

983
00:36:00,030 --> 00:35:57,760
a week and I guess he might have been

984
00:36:01,350 --> 00:36:00,040
able to consider his problem gone I'm

985
00:36:04,020 --> 00:36:01,360
sure that what a sense you want to tear

986
00:36:05,220 --> 00:36:04,030
but at the same time like well do one or

987
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:05,230
the other either freer

988
00:36:11,970 --> 00:36:08,530
or let her die so the problem goes away

989
00:36:13,380 --> 00:36:11,980
there was a period of time when I at

990
00:36:16,650 --> 00:36:13,390
least had the inclination that the

991
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:16,660
owners the owner was quite sick but I

992
00:36:21,630 --> 00:36:19,090
had every reason to be concerned because

993
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:21,640
he's at a as an avid hunter I mean he

994
00:36:25,050 --> 00:36:23,410
was let's just say he was very gun

995
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:25,060
friendly there's a story of him shooting

996
00:36:29,340 --> 00:36:27,970
two beautiful [\h__\h] Labrador dogs you

997
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:29,350
know sometimes he was bored but anyways

998
00:36:33,570 --> 00:36:31,570
I had a lot of reason to be worried

999
00:36:35,970 --> 00:36:33,580
about both myself get my head blown off

1000
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:35,980
anyone in my vicinity just be told I was

1001
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:37,810
looking over my shoulder a lot and the

1002
00:36:41,670 --> 00:36:40,210
walrus I always wondered look if he's

1003
00:36:43,860 --> 00:36:41,680
got the strength to hold the gun still

1004
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:43,870
why doesn't he just go in there my hope

1005
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:46,570
and it may sound cold but it you know in

1006
00:36:51,810 --> 00:36:48,970
every which way is also not cold at all

1007
00:36:53,670 --> 00:36:51,820
is I hope his decline was just so fast

1008
00:36:53,970 --> 00:36:53,680
that he just couldn't have done such a

1009
00:36:55,830 --> 00:36:53,980
thing

1010
00:36:57,720 --> 00:36:55,840
and I hope for his benefit that when he

1011
00:37:03,300 --> 00:36:57,730
died it wasn't she tortures I hope my

1012
00:37:05,910 --> 00:37:03,310
footsteps were too loud we're having a

1013
00:37:07,380 --> 00:37:05,920
good time here but yeah I'm just look if

1014
00:37:09,630 --> 00:37:07,390
you got to know me I'm not that much of

1015
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:09,640
an [\h__\h] I do have sort of weirdo

1016
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:11,170
humor I did just take a rip off that

1017
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:12,970
bond but you know cut me some slack I'm

1018
00:37:18,510 --> 00:37:15,690
I'm having fun hey weirdo humor is

1019
00:37:20,700 --> 00:37:18,520
popular around here dude put yourself in

1020
00:37:22,590 --> 00:37:20,710
my shoes like there comes a point where

1021
00:37:25,770 --> 00:37:22,600
the madness just you know you just

1022
00:37:28,170 --> 00:37:25,780
embrace it we laugh so we don't cry dude

1023
00:37:29,370 --> 00:37:28,180
you nailed it again make a lot of

1024
00:37:32,580 --> 00:37:29,380
t-shirts with all the things you're

1025
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:32,590
saying go alright go for it and we're

1026
00:37:38,430 --> 00:37:35,770
also pretty hip to conspiracies the way

1027
00:37:40,860 --> 00:37:38,440
things really work sometimes and usually

1028
00:37:43,710 --> 00:37:40,870
it's not just a legal battle on the

1029
00:37:46,410 --> 00:37:43,720
surface but companies or powerful people

1030
00:37:49,050 --> 00:37:46,420
like this are no strangers to even

1031
00:37:50,100 --> 00:37:49,060
shadier intimidation tactics you've kind

1032
00:37:52,170 --> 00:37:50,110
of alluded to that

1033
00:37:55,020 --> 00:37:52,180
but can you tell us about anything you

1034
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:55,030
might have experienced that maybe falls

1035
00:37:59,940 --> 00:37:57,490
under that category well I can tell you

1036
00:38:03,750 --> 00:37:59,950
from a conspiracy perspective what is

1037
00:38:06,330 --> 00:38:03,760
true in my experience is when this thing

1038
00:38:08,220 --> 00:38:06,340
started in 2012 and I thought that I

1039
00:38:09,630 --> 00:38:08,230
would have the support of you know we're

1040
00:38:11,850 --> 00:38:09,640
in Canada so we were governed by

1041
00:38:14,340 --> 00:38:11,860
provincial laws you know similar to

1042
00:38:16,110 --> 00:38:14,350
States I suppose I thought the province

1043
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:16,120
the Ontario Society for the Prevention

1044
00:38:19,140 --> 00:38:17,290
of Cruelty to Animals

1045
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:19,150
I thought the municipality would all be

1046
00:38:22,950 --> 00:38:21,490
in support they'd want to know the truth

1047
00:38:24,390 --> 00:38:22,960
of what's going on I thought that they

1048
00:38:26,820 --> 00:38:24,400
would in every which way shape or form

1049
00:38:29,310 --> 00:38:26,830
try to help allow these types of things

1050
00:38:31,470 --> 00:38:29,320
that was not in fact the case what I did

1051
00:38:34,110 --> 00:38:31,480
come to know over the last many years is

1052
00:38:36,390 --> 00:38:34,120
these companies and the government were

1053
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:36,400
very symbiotically to make things very

1054
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:38,290
profitable and easy for the companies

1055
00:38:43,260 --> 00:38:41,170
and that can't be more than true for

1056
00:38:45,690 --> 00:38:43,270
every which way that this was dealt with

1057
00:38:47,370 --> 00:38:45,700
at the provincial level and definitely

1058
00:38:48,810 --> 00:38:47,380
at the municipal level Marineland was

1059
00:38:50,730 --> 00:38:48,820
accommodated in every which way shape or

1060
00:38:53,220 --> 00:38:50,740
form so much of my transition to walk

1061
00:38:55,710 --> 00:38:53,230
miss I suppose I think people kids say

1062
00:38:57,420 --> 00:38:55,720
hiss today as the kids today say I get

1063
00:39:00,240 --> 00:38:57,430
my head smashed into the wall of

1064
00:39:03,390 --> 00:39:00,250
learning about what the reality was out

1065
00:39:05,820 --> 00:39:03,400
there so you can rest assured they're

1066
00:39:07,890 --> 00:39:05,830
all friends so beyond that yeah I've had

1067
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:07,900
the police sent to my house on can't

1068
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:09,490
even say probably three times I mean

1069
00:39:12,660 --> 00:39:11,170
I've been threatened to be sued you know

1070
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:12,670
multiple times I've had a number of

1071
00:39:16,620 --> 00:39:13,930
other things I don't want to necessarily

1072
00:39:18,420 --> 00:39:16,630
get into but I've had a lot of strange

1073
00:39:19,860 --> 00:39:18,430
things happen you know I've had goons

1074
00:39:21,900 --> 00:39:19,870
show up to my house I've had private

1075
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:21,910
eyes identify themselves have been solid

1076
00:39:26,010 --> 00:39:23,890
all over the place I don't know it's

1077
00:39:28,020 --> 00:39:26,020
kind of crazy that the police coming to

1078
00:39:29,430 --> 00:39:28,030
my house almost on repeat you know I

1079
00:39:30,750 --> 00:39:29,440
think marine has got him on speed down

1080
00:39:32,610 --> 00:39:30,760
there at least they had him for a while

1081
00:39:34,530 --> 00:39:32,620
you know one time this is crazy this is

1082
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:34,540
actually absurd but I retweeted a

1083
00:39:39,810 --> 00:39:36,850
Canadian one of the most absurd Canadian

1084
00:39:41,670 --> 00:39:39,820
comics who had quote tweeted a PETA

1085
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:41,680
article about you know trainers

1086
00:39:45,390 --> 00:39:44,050
revealing the atrocities at Marineland

1087
00:39:47,970 --> 00:39:45,400
so it would have been an article back in

1088
00:39:49,860 --> 00:39:47,980
2012 of myself and others speaking out

1089
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:49,870
and this comedian quoted and said time

1090
00:39:53,610 --> 00:39:51,010
to burn this place down

1091
00:39:56,550 --> 00:39:53,620
I pushed retweet and marina and sent the

1092
00:39:59,580 --> 00:39:56,560
Cyber Crimes Unit division to my house

1093
00:40:01,740 --> 00:39:59,590
they said that I was inciting violence I

1094
00:40:02,779 --> 00:40:01,750
was encouraging my followers to burn

1095
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:02,789
marine land down

1096
00:40:08,089 --> 00:40:05,249
because imagine this Kenny Hotz from

1097
00:40:11,179 --> 00:40:08,099
Kenny vs. Spenny it's uh yeah yeah it's

1098
00:40:12,890 --> 00:40:11,189
a cooker peepee humor comedy Kenny Hotz

1099
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:12,900
retweeted already did that tweet i

1100
00:40:15,979 --> 00:40:14,729
retweeted it i had the cyber crimes you

1101
00:40:17,929 --> 00:40:15,989
know about not only that here's a

1102
00:40:20,630 --> 00:40:17,939
conspiracy for it that's we got deleted

1103
00:40:22,370 --> 00:40:20,640
it so I said I tweeted Kenny Hotz as to

1104
00:40:24,229 --> 00:40:22,380
how you delete that for he's like I

1105
00:40:26,029 --> 00:40:24,239
didn't delete it Twitter did Twitter

1106
00:40:27,919 --> 00:40:26,039
doesn't delete tweets do that they don't

1107
00:40:30,439 --> 00:40:27,929
until they do but you know what I

1108
00:40:32,109 --> 00:40:30,449
guarantee you this Kenny Hotz would have

1109
00:40:33,559 --> 00:40:32,119
got a call from Marine Lines lawyer I

1110
00:40:35,599 --> 00:40:33,569
guarantee that

1111
00:40:37,519 --> 00:40:35,609
so anyways Kenny Hotz is out there he's

1112
00:40:39,199 --> 00:40:37,529
got no balls come on man keep the tweet

1113
00:40:42,620 --> 00:40:39,209
up and I heard something similar about

1114
00:40:44,329 --> 00:40:42,630
vice right oh just recently in fact yes

1115
00:40:45,859 --> 00:40:44,339
and you know and I can rap and you can

1116
00:40:48,289 --> 00:40:45,869
rest assured that it wouldn't only be

1117
00:40:49,669 --> 00:40:48,299
vice but yeah recently vice I did an

1118
00:40:50,959 --> 00:40:49,679
article or rather I did a rather

1119
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:50,969
extensive interview with them in August

1120
00:40:54,499 --> 00:40:52,890
you know I was really hoping to get that

1121
00:40:56,809 --> 00:40:54,509
out because is he was gonna emphasize

1122
00:40:58,370 --> 00:40:56,819
rather smooshy sort of perilous

1123
00:41:01,249 --> 00:40:58,380
situation and it's gonna update people

1124
00:41:03,140 --> 00:41:01,259
on sort of legal matters and where they

1125
00:41:04,789 --> 00:41:03,150
are because people are keeping in touch

1126
00:41:06,620 --> 00:41:04,799
so this was gonna be a great and timely

1127
00:41:09,109 --> 00:41:06,630
article at Marineland threatened to sue

1128
00:41:10,429 --> 00:41:09,119
them as they do and Vai squashed it

1129
00:41:11,299 --> 00:41:10,439
they're not gonna publish this thing I

1130
00:41:13,009 --> 00:41:11,309
can't believe it

1131
00:41:14,569 --> 00:41:13,019
I'm half tempted to publish the article

1132
00:41:15,890 --> 00:41:14,579
myself because I've actually got some DM

1133
00:41:18,199 --> 00:41:15,900
exchanging with the journalist where he

1134
00:41:20,149 --> 00:41:18,209
says you know they're sort of they want

1135
00:41:22,459 --> 00:41:20,159
to know more questions about this and

1136
00:41:24,019 --> 00:41:22,469
you know that's the last communication I

1137
00:41:25,459 --> 00:41:24,029
really had about them with them so I

1138
00:41:26,839 --> 00:41:25,469
almost feel like printing the DMS or

1139
00:41:28,939 --> 00:41:26,849
rather publishing it Dan's be like hey

1140
00:41:30,620 --> 00:41:28,949
here's things marina doesn't think are

1141
00:41:33,079 --> 00:41:30,630
true that I'm I'm gonna stand by

1142
00:41:35,289 --> 00:41:33,089
absolutely and have proof for I mean I

1143
00:41:37,969 --> 00:41:35,299
can't excuse why they shelf this thing

1144
00:41:41,029 --> 00:41:37,979
what the hell happened a vise dude oh my

1145
00:41:43,459 --> 00:41:41,039
god well Rupert Murdoch bought in oh my

1146
00:41:44,659 --> 00:41:43,469
god I remember there was a time where if

1147
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:44,669
I would have been in Vice I would have

1148
00:41:50,509 --> 00:41:46,650
been the punkest I just would have been

1149
00:41:53,899 --> 00:41:50,519
the King around here your advice these

1150
00:41:55,699 --> 00:41:53,909
days like vice cos I hang up hang up on

1151
00:41:57,620 --> 00:41:55,709
Vice by the way yes there's no other

1152
00:42:01,099 --> 00:41:57,630
t-shirt I'd like to make hang up on Vice

1153
00:42:03,140 --> 00:42:01,109
I hear ya and you know the last time I

1154
00:42:05,899 --> 00:42:03,150
heard an interview with you you were

1155
00:42:09,109 --> 00:42:05,909
talking about the negotiations as you

1156
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:09,119
mentioned just prior and I guess I'm

1157
00:42:12,709 --> 00:42:10,890
curious what do they want from you and

1158
00:42:14,569 --> 00:42:12,719
they want you to be quiet I guess but

1159
00:42:16,370 --> 00:42:14,579
they don't want this to go to trial you

1160
00:42:18,859 --> 00:42:16,380
want the walrus released

1161
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:18,869
what are you willing to give up or what

1162
00:42:23,299 --> 00:42:20,970
are they asking for you to give up as

1163
00:42:25,579 --> 00:42:23,309
much as you can say so I'll say that as

1164
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:25,589
much as I can say as I can't say I would

1165
00:42:28,969 --> 00:42:27,450
imagine I don't know but I think it's to

1166
00:42:31,549 --> 00:42:28,979
legally sensitive to disclose

1167
00:42:33,019 --> 00:42:31,559
particulars but I will say this if I am

1168
00:42:34,519 --> 00:42:33,029
to assume what they want it's I'll

1169
00:42:36,140 --> 00:42:34,529
assume they want the same thing they've

1170
00:42:38,390 --> 00:42:36,150
demanded from other people that they've

1171
00:42:41,660 --> 00:42:38,400
managed to successfully break I suppose

1172
00:42:43,940 --> 00:42:41,670
sir not break just cause to stop talking

1173
00:42:45,589 --> 00:42:43,950
or rather they've silenced on account of

1174
00:42:47,779 --> 00:42:45,599
the legal expenditures what they would

1175
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:47,789
want is for sure they would want a no

1176
00:42:52,039 --> 00:42:50,130
trespassing clause of any capacity at

1177
00:42:54,049 --> 00:42:52,049
both Park and former employees they'll

1178
00:42:55,910 --> 00:42:54,059
have a few specific names no one a

1179
00:42:58,579 --> 00:42:55,920
non-disparagement clause where I can't

1180
00:43:00,620 --> 00:42:58,589
actually disparage the park or members

1181
00:43:02,329 --> 00:43:00,630
of the families you know they would

1182
00:43:04,130 --> 00:43:02,339
probably I mean in a perfect world they

1183
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:04,140
would want me to take back everything

1184
00:43:08,420 --> 00:43:05,970
and anything that I've said they would

1185
00:43:10,849 --> 00:43:08,430
definitely want my participation in

1186
00:43:13,219 --> 00:43:10,859
current projects to end current big

1187
00:43:15,019 --> 00:43:13,229
projects to end things that I can't

1188
00:43:16,670 --> 00:43:15,029
legally end anyways but they would kind

1189
00:43:18,229 --> 00:43:16,680
of want that you know they really just

1190
00:43:20,839 --> 00:43:18,239
want me to shut up they want me to not

1191
00:43:22,969 --> 00:43:20,849
be able to speak and I'll tell you

1192
00:43:25,729 --> 00:43:22,979
something it's something I'll never sign

1193
00:43:27,739 --> 00:43:25,739
I'll never put ink to paper to anything

1194
00:43:29,690 --> 00:43:27,749
that legally binds me in any way shape

1195
00:43:32,209 --> 00:43:29,700
or form to not being a completely free

1196
00:43:36,289 --> 00:43:32,219
human in any way shape that I that I'm

1197
00:43:39,380 --> 00:43:36,299
able to be in this world but I'm a

1198
00:43:41,900 --> 00:43:39,390
forgiving person I'm a forgetting person

1199
00:43:44,359 --> 00:43:41,910
and you know when I got squashed beefs

1200
00:43:47,509 --> 00:43:44,369
you know there's I don't kick dead dogs

1201
00:43:49,519 --> 00:43:47,519
like if they want any sort of civility

1202
00:43:51,229 --> 00:43:49,529
moving forward and and bear in mind like

1203
00:43:53,539 --> 00:43:51,239
I you know they're trying to protect

1204
00:43:55,099 --> 00:43:53,549
their legacy they're voraciously trying

1205
00:43:56,509 --> 00:43:55,109
to protect the legacy well look if I

1206
00:43:58,160 --> 00:43:56,519
have the last word I can assure you that

1207
00:44:00,229 --> 00:43:58,170
that legacy is going to be worth the dog

1208
00:44:02,390 --> 00:44:00,239
[\h__\h] if they want to make things super

1209
00:44:04,519 --> 00:44:02,400
easy then become friends with me let's

1210
00:44:06,259 --> 00:44:04,529
just do this with a smile and maybe I

1211
00:44:07,969 --> 00:44:06,269
won't write that book maybe I won't put

1212
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:07,979
that extra chapter you know maybe I

1213
00:44:11,630 --> 00:44:09,690
won't you know after this legal matters

1214
00:44:13,009 --> 00:44:11,640
depending on how they end there's a lot

1215
00:44:14,749 --> 00:44:13,019
of neglect and there's a lot of

1216
00:44:17,029 --> 00:44:14,759
questionable practices legally speaking

1217
00:44:18,650 --> 00:44:17,039
within the practice itself that you know

1218
00:44:20,779 --> 00:44:18,660
I intend to pursue after the fact of

1219
00:44:22,999 --> 00:44:20,789
course I don't intend to allow certain

1220
00:44:24,979 --> 00:44:23,009
people whether they be professionals or

1221
00:44:26,539 --> 00:44:24,989
not to get away with being in breach of

1222
00:44:28,039 --> 00:44:26,549
their own you know of their own code of

1223
00:44:29,150 --> 00:44:28,049
ethics know I'm not gonna let anyone get

1224
00:44:29,990 --> 00:44:29,160
away with anything I'm gonna keep

1225
00:44:32,839 --> 00:44:30,000
pounding the pavement

1226
00:44:34,460 --> 00:44:32,849
keep doing this or it all ends so it

1227
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:34,470
really becomes a question of what these

1228
00:44:38,150 --> 00:44:36,330
people as individuals and Marineland I

1229
00:44:40,330 --> 00:44:38,160
suppose who's by the way not of persons

1230
00:44:43,339 --> 00:44:40,340
it's it's a soulless corporation

1231
00:44:45,830 --> 00:44:43,349
depending on how they want to ride off

1232
00:44:47,359 --> 00:44:45,840
into the sunset you know it's up to them

1233
00:44:49,250 --> 00:44:47,369
I know I want to do with a smile

1234
00:44:51,410 --> 00:44:49,260
I'd like to hug their lawyer I'd like to

1235
00:44:53,359 --> 00:44:51,420
hug the widow the now president's Widow

1236
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:53,369
I don't want to all this beef dude I

1237
00:44:57,109 --> 00:44:54,930
don't like living in this world of hate

1238
00:44:58,970 --> 00:44:57,119
you know they've summoned this fight out

1239
00:45:01,070 --> 00:44:58,980
of me but you know much of it is fueled

1240
00:45:03,500 --> 00:45:01,080
by anger as well so it's a hell of a

1241
00:45:04,970 --> 00:45:03,510
coat to wear it's heavy I don't like it

1242
00:45:06,710 --> 00:45:04,980
I used to be a funny guy and I used to

1243
00:45:08,150 --> 00:45:06,720
be a happy dude I don't know what that's

1244
00:45:10,010 --> 00:45:08,160
like anymore and I don't want to lament

1245
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:10,020
but it's a different thing it's um I'm

1246
00:45:15,260 --> 00:45:13,050
always 24/7 in a sort of like constant

1247
00:45:17,060 --> 00:45:15,270
state of war it weighs on you and it

1248
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:17,070
does things to your ego you know I have

1249
00:45:20,510 --> 00:45:18,570
to on occasion or at least that I've

1250
00:45:22,609 --> 00:45:20,520
gone and I intended to go again I've had

1251
00:45:24,830 --> 00:45:22,619
to go drink some ayahuasca and break

1252
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:24,840
myself down so I can you know get some

1253
00:45:30,020 --> 00:45:26,970
more perspective I'm doing that this

1254
00:45:32,390 --> 00:45:30,030
summer oh yeah dude it keeps coming up

1255
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:32,400
on the show the very year I tend to do

1256
00:45:36,109 --> 00:45:34,290
it it's like every guest even though the

1257
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:36,119
obscure walrus mom is bringing up

1258
00:45:40,339 --> 00:45:38,490
ayahuasca dude I visited sushi in my

1259
00:45:42,500 --> 00:45:40,349
ayahuasca trip I don't have to tell you

1260
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:42,510
but it's a very powerful experience and

1261
00:45:44,570 --> 00:45:43,290
I wish you the best

1262
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:44,580
you're gonna come from it with a lot of

1263
00:45:48,500 --> 00:45:46,290
lessons learned but it's lessons you

1264
00:45:50,030 --> 00:45:48,510
will forget if you don't practice so you

1265
00:45:52,070 --> 00:45:50,040
know I intend I'm doing the same going

1266
00:45:54,020 --> 00:45:52,080
back there's no how-to guide to

1267
00:45:56,329 --> 00:45:54,030
destroying a savage corporation or

1268
00:45:57,920 --> 00:45:56,339
surviving one and by virtue just

1269
00:46:00,020 --> 00:45:57,930
destroying there is nothing I'm paving

1270
00:46:01,820 --> 00:46:00,030
my own sort of path here then again I

1271
00:46:05,570 --> 00:46:01,830
stress that I'm a witness so it's been I

1272
00:46:07,310 --> 00:46:05,580
guess easy because it's all worked out

1273
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:07,320
so in retro it's easy to say that it's

1274
00:46:12,290 --> 00:46:09,930
been easy but I do wonder how much of it

1275
00:46:14,030 --> 00:46:12,300
I wear I don't know it's gonna be

1276
00:46:15,829 --> 00:46:14,040
interesting because what you know we

1277
00:46:18,109 --> 00:46:15,839
spoke earlier about the idea of doing a

1278
00:46:19,310 --> 00:46:18,119
podcast for husbands you know this idea

1279
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:19,320
well you know I'm gonna be a has-been

1280
00:46:23,720 --> 00:46:21,690
pretty quick too you know I will only

1281
00:46:25,460 --> 00:46:23,730
have relevance for so long in social

1282
00:46:27,290 --> 00:46:25,470
media and everything else but the hell

1283
00:46:29,720 --> 00:46:27,300
of interest will I have to talk about if

1284
00:46:31,730 --> 00:46:29,730
either the walrus dies or the lawsuit

1285
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:31,740
get resolved or if if she's moved I mean

1286
00:46:34,430 --> 00:46:33,330
that's the happiest of endings but you

1287
00:46:34,849 --> 00:46:34,440
know you're only as good as what you do

1288
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:34,859
next

1289
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:35,970
what the hell becomes with me I don't

1290
00:46:39,349 --> 00:46:37,890
know I know first and foremost I want to

1291
00:46:41,990 --> 00:46:39,359
get back to feeling like the human being

1292
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:42,000
Jesus yeah yeah one thing at a time man

1293
00:46:46,140 --> 00:46:43,690
and just to maybe broaden

1294
00:46:47,430 --> 00:46:46,150
out and talk about things I'm sure

1295
00:46:50,450 --> 00:46:47,440
you're knowledgeable about but maybe

1296
00:46:53,100 --> 00:46:50,460
aren't quite as hot is going right after

1297
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:53,110
Marineland let me ask you more about

1298
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:55,570
dolphins and whales just in general

1299
00:46:59,730 --> 00:46:57,370
because they seem like extremely

1300
00:47:02,280 --> 00:46:59,740
intelligent animals and I actually live

1301
00:47:04,950 --> 00:47:02,290
only a few miles from SeaWorld San

1302
00:47:07,500 --> 00:47:04,960
Diego's own orcish wits but it seems

1303
00:47:09,090 --> 00:47:07,510
doubly cruel because of how smart they

1304
00:47:11,070 --> 00:47:09,100
are and how big they are and we kind of

1305
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:11,080
talked about that a little bit but what

1306
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:13,690
can you say about the minds of marine

1307
00:47:18,270 --> 00:47:16,210
mammals or whales and dolphins that

1308
00:47:21,210 --> 00:47:18,280
you've discovered by being in proximity

1309
00:47:24,690 --> 00:47:21,220
to them I'll say this you learn most

1310
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:24,700
about them observing them when they have

1311
00:47:31,230 --> 00:47:27,610
no idea that you're watching and people

1312
00:47:34,260 --> 00:47:31,240
that see them will never see that they

1313
00:47:36,510 --> 00:47:34,270
can't it's not possible but because I

1314
00:47:38,340 --> 00:47:36,520
was able to you know there were times I

1315
00:47:41,100 --> 00:47:38,350
was there 24/7 because I'm able to see

1316
00:47:43,470 --> 00:47:41,110
it then when they're not purposely and

1317
00:47:44,820 --> 00:47:43,480
in every which way trying to you know

1318
00:47:48,540 --> 00:47:44,830
they're trying to decipher the code

1319
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:48,550
every day of how to a survive be get out

1320
00:47:53,310 --> 00:47:50,770
that's it they're trying to decipher the

1321
00:47:54,930 --> 00:47:53,320
code so if the code is okay swim up to

1322
00:47:57,150 --> 00:47:54,940
the person that's that shows up with the

1323
00:47:59,730 --> 00:47:57,160
bucket open your month you get fish

1324
00:48:01,350 --> 00:47:59,740
raise your pectoral flipper and touch

1325
00:48:02,790 --> 00:48:01,360
the trainer's hand when they extend the

1326
00:48:04,130 --> 00:48:02,800
hand you get fish these are codes

1327
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:04,140
they're breaking every single day

1328
00:48:08,310 --> 00:48:06,610
trainers have the misconception that oh

1329
00:48:09,690 --> 00:48:08,320
this is a power this is a bond we're

1330
00:48:11,100 --> 00:48:09,700
developing now solution dies

1331
00:48:13,830 --> 00:48:11,110
relationship again I have to stress as

1332
00:48:17,540 --> 00:48:13,840
an anomaly she thinks I'm her mom call

1333
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:17,550
it one in a I don't even know seven

1334
00:48:22,290 --> 00:48:20,170
point something billion people I'm the

1335
00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:22,300
only one doesn't exist those animals are

1336
00:48:27,090 --> 00:48:24,240
always deciphering codes is what they do

1337
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:27,100
right it's more of a prisoner and guard

1338
00:48:31,470 --> 00:48:28,930
relationship rather than a bond of

1339
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:31,480
friends well that is it exactly and

1340
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:33,010
trainers will never acknowledge that

1341
00:48:36,570 --> 00:48:34,810
because they you know that they are not

1342
00:48:38,490 --> 00:48:36,580
so when you suggested why don't they

1343
00:48:39,780 --> 00:48:38,500
just let slooshy dies no trainer that

1344
00:48:40,380 --> 00:48:39,790
works at Marineland is gonna allow for

1345
00:48:42,300 --> 00:48:40,390
that to happen

1346
00:48:43,890 --> 00:48:42,310
none of them they're there because they

1347
00:48:45,660 --> 00:48:43,900
love the animals make no mistake they

1348
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:45,670
might be idiots on account of the fact

1349
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:47,050
that they don't see the writing on the

1350
00:48:49,830 --> 00:48:48,490
wall or they refuse to or they don't

1351
00:48:52,020 --> 00:48:49,840
actually see things for what they are

1352
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:52,030
but they it they're idiots for their to

1353
00:48:55,590 --> 00:48:54,130
their own peril really that they they

1354
00:48:57,039 --> 00:48:55,600
would benefit them the most if they

1355
00:48:58,959 --> 00:48:57,049
could just decide to

1356
00:49:00,939 --> 00:48:58,969
you know not have this conscious bias or

1357
00:49:01,959 --> 00:49:00,949
I don't know what you call it but they

1358
00:49:02,829 --> 00:49:01,969
wouldn't do this stuff they're there

1359
00:49:05,319 --> 00:49:02,839
because they love them

1360
00:49:06,969 --> 00:49:05,329
yeah whales and dolphins are people in

1361
00:49:09,909 --> 00:49:06,979
every which way that you would

1362
00:49:12,789 --> 00:49:09,919
communicate with a person that does not

1363
00:49:14,439 --> 00:49:12,799
speak your language there's just some

1364
00:49:15,939 --> 00:49:14,449
level of universal language out there

1365
00:49:18,099 --> 00:49:15,949
that once you find that common ground

1366
00:49:20,229 --> 00:49:18,109
you elevate yourself to that level of

1367
00:49:21,999 --> 00:49:20,239
communication everything above is bonus

1368
00:49:23,380 --> 00:49:22,009
everything at that point makes you

1369
00:49:24,669 --> 00:49:23,390
nothing but empathetic for them because

1370
00:49:26,439 --> 00:49:24,679
you realize that they're just people

1371
00:49:28,209 --> 00:49:26,449
with a different meatsuit you know they

1372
00:49:30,429 --> 00:49:28,219
may be capable of even more elaborate

1373
00:49:31,630 --> 00:49:30,439
communication than we are by virtue of

1374
00:49:33,779 --> 00:49:31,640
sometimes less is more

1375
00:49:36,729 --> 00:49:33,789
and they have very very very very

1376
00:49:38,169 --> 00:49:36,739
powerful emotional bonds family bonds

1377
00:49:39,370 --> 00:49:38,179
that are all broken in these

1378
00:49:40,659 --> 00:49:39,380
environments so these were you're

1379
00:49:42,249 --> 00:49:40,669
looking at his lost soul as you're

1380
00:49:44,049 --> 00:49:42,259
looking at the shadows wrapped in skins

1381
00:49:45,309 --> 00:49:44,059
I can't stress it enough when you see

1382
00:49:47,139 --> 00:49:45,319
them jumping in the shows and everything

1383
00:49:48,399 --> 00:49:47,149
you're seeing a spectacle it's just it's

1384
00:49:50,259 --> 00:49:48,409
absolute nonsense what you're seeing in

1385
00:49:51,969 --> 00:49:50,269
an exhibition of cruelty oh by the way

1386
00:49:54,969 --> 00:49:51,979
and I thought it might be worth noting

1387
00:49:57,159 --> 00:49:54,979
Marineland had so you watched blackfish

1388
00:49:59,289 --> 00:49:57,169
yes it's been a while and I didn't have

1389
00:50:01,329 --> 00:49:59,299
the guts to watch it again but yeah and

1390
00:50:02,709 --> 00:50:01,339
you know that the documentary is

1391
00:50:05,079 --> 00:50:02,719
centered around a whale named

1392
00:50:07,419 --> 00:50:05,089
Tilikum right and you would have known

1393
00:50:09,279 --> 00:50:07,429
the stat that SeaWorld bred Tilikum you

1394
00:50:11,379 --> 00:50:09,289
know a lot and that like some like

1395
00:50:14,169 --> 00:50:11,389
absurd percentage of all of the captives

1396
00:50:15,849 --> 00:50:14,179
at SeaWorld are sired from Tilikum this

1397
00:50:17,799 --> 00:50:15,859
whale that killed three or four trainers

1398
00:50:22,599 --> 00:50:17,809
they sired a son

1399
00:50:25,419 --> 00:50:22,609
Iko Iko was traded from SeaWorld to

1400
00:50:27,039 --> 00:50:25,429
Marineland I Keiko was showing signs of

1401
00:50:29,679 --> 00:50:27,049
aggression towards both people and

1402
00:50:31,539 --> 00:50:29,689
trainers he was showing psychological

1403
00:50:33,069 --> 00:50:31,549
stress you know he was there for a few

1404
00:50:34,979 --> 00:50:33,079
years it was really bad to the point

1405
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:34,989
where SeaWorld in fact sued Marineland

1406
00:50:40,179 --> 00:50:37,249
citing that marina was incapable of

1407
00:50:42,969 --> 00:50:40,189
proper care a Court determined that

1408
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:42,979
SeaWorld was right SeaWorld

1409
00:50:49,989 --> 00:50:46,130
got a [\h__\h] removed and he now lives at

1410
00:50:52,899 --> 00:50:49,999
SeaWorld San Diego hmm he flew the same

1411
00:50:55,649 --> 00:50:52,909
flight path as your a nice current

1412
00:50:57,039 --> 00:50:55,659
conversation if it was via landline Wow

1413
00:51:00,339 --> 00:50:57,049
Wow

1414
00:51:02,679 --> 00:51:00,349
man and as we are starting to wind this

1415
00:51:04,479 --> 00:51:02,689
thing down let's say they give you

1416
00:51:05,739 --> 00:51:04,489
smoochy tomorrow I mean what would you

1417
00:51:08,139 --> 00:51:05,749
do with there you mentioned you have

1418
00:51:09,260 --> 00:51:08,149
this location that would be probably

1419
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:09,270
that

1420
00:51:13,460 --> 00:51:11,130
official for her but Walter says I think

1421
00:51:15,650 --> 00:51:13,470
need a lot don't they yeah they need a

1422
00:51:17,390 --> 00:51:15,660
lot but where's where she lives now I

1423
00:51:19,430 --> 00:51:17,400
have to say almost anywhere is an

1424
00:51:20,780 --> 00:51:19,440
improvement so the facility that I have

1425
00:51:23,300 --> 00:51:20,790
in mind is the Toronto Zoo they're

1426
00:51:25,100 --> 00:51:23,310
actually as we speak retrofitting one of

1427
00:51:27,740 --> 00:51:25,110
their older exhibits so it's going to be

1428
00:51:30,290 --> 00:51:27,750
far more accommodating for solution even

1429
00:51:31,910 --> 00:51:30,300
by virtue a loan of being outdoors she's

1430
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:31,920
currently in a warehouse he's under

1431
00:51:36,140 --> 00:51:34,290
artificial lights with I mean there

1432
00:51:37,730 --> 00:51:36,150
isn't even a real air conditioner over

1433
00:51:39,650 --> 00:51:37,740
there in the summer so she's sweltering

1434
00:51:41,390 --> 00:51:39,660
in the summer she's the winter is better

1435
00:51:43,100 --> 00:51:41,400
for her in terms of temperature but the

1436
00:51:44,990 --> 00:51:43,110
air is disgusting because the windows

1437
00:51:47,180 --> 00:51:45,000
are now open there's no natural light

1438
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:47,190
the place nonetheless I would like to

1439
00:51:51,260 --> 00:51:48,930
see her go to the Toronto Zoo I would

1440
00:51:53,270 --> 00:51:51,270
like that to be a temporary place for

1441
00:51:56,540 --> 00:51:53,280
which you know she's accommodated and

1442
00:51:59,390 --> 00:51:56,550
then thereafter we you know we see

1443
00:52:01,250 --> 00:51:59,400
what's next but listen it's too early to

1444
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:01,260
talk final destinations let's just get

1445
00:52:03,980 --> 00:52:02,130
her to Toronto

1446
00:52:05,990 --> 00:52:03,990
let's get her there once she's there

1447
00:52:09,590 --> 00:52:06,000
once she and I have reunited she knows I

1448
00:52:11,870 --> 00:52:09,600
still exist once she's under the Sun or

1449
00:52:14,270 --> 00:52:11,880
you know once she's able to breathe

1450
00:52:16,220 --> 00:52:14,280
fresh air and see other members of her

1451
00:52:19,100 --> 00:52:16,230
species then we'll all just take a

1452
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:19,110
moment to breathe sort of process

1453
00:52:22,070 --> 00:52:21,210
exactly the magnitude of what the hell

1454
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:22,080
just happened

1455
00:52:25,910 --> 00:52:23,850
and then we'll reconvene but for now

1456
00:52:27,980 --> 00:52:25,920
time is of the essence I mean four of

1457
00:52:30,350 --> 00:52:27,990
five walruses have died in the last two

1458
00:52:32,410 --> 00:52:30,360
years she's the last remaining one you

1459
00:52:35,210 --> 00:52:32,420
know she lives in a concrete hellhole

1460
00:52:37,550 --> 00:52:35,220
cesspool she needs to get taken out

1461
00:52:39,470 --> 00:52:37,560
let's just get that done well I mean the

1462
00:52:41,150 --> 00:52:39,480
odds that she's still alive obviously

1463
00:52:43,670 --> 00:52:41,160
she still has a little bit of hope and

1464
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:43,680
ultimately I'd love to see you in a

1465
00:52:49,310 --> 00:52:46,530
modest house on the beach near her most

1466
00:52:52,130 --> 00:52:49,320
natural habitat and just be left alone

1467
00:52:54,260 --> 00:52:52,140
to be the walrus mom you always knew you

1468
00:52:57,560 --> 00:52:54,270
were they were yeah man that's the dream

1469
00:52:59,180 --> 00:52:57,570
that's the dream so what's next for you

1470
00:53:01,250 --> 00:52:59,190
I mean do you know what you want out of

1471
00:53:03,980 --> 00:53:01,260
life once this marine land chapter is

1472
00:53:05,870 --> 00:53:03,990
closed well that's interesting you know

1473
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:05,880
I have to say that I have developed a

1474
00:53:10,430 --> 00:53:08,130
level of comfort with the extreme highs

1475
00:53:12,950 --> 00:53:10,440
I don't love the lows but the extreme

1476
00:53:15,230 --> 00:53:12,960
highs such as for instance flying out to

1477
00:53:17,720 --> 00:53:15,240
LA and you know rubbing elbows with the

1478
00:53:20,180 --> 00:53:17,730
likes of Whitney Cummings and Joe and

1479
00:53:21,290 --> 00:53:20,190
steve-o and Mike Tyson I've enjoyed all

1480
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:21,300
that

1481
00:53:26,180 --> 00:53:23,610
have to admit so I don't know I do hope

1482
00:53:28,190 --> 00:53:26,190
in some way shape or form that's my gift

1483
00:53:29,660 --> 00:53:28,200
of gab opens up some opportunity

1484
00:53:31,010 --> 00:53:29,670
something I mean I don't know I'm still

1485
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:31,020
sort of wrapped my mind around I'm no

1486
00:53:35,900 --> 00:53:33,210
spring chicken I just know that 9:00 to

1487
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:35,910
5:00 it's not it's not that appealing to

1488
00:53:39,860 --> 00:53:37,770
me just as it wasn't to you man

1489
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:39,870
so I don't know I assume I'll be carving

1490
00:53:43,550 --> 00:53:41,970
my own path I'll continue to I'm sure

1491
00:53:45,650 --> 00:53:43,560
the universe has something to serve me

1492
00:53:47,630 --> 00:53:45,660
up well there's definitely no going back

1493
00:53:48,950 --> 00:53:47,640
it's just it's impossible it'd be like

1494
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:48,960
going back to high school

1495
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:51,210
it's just tough man it's just tough I

1496
00:53:54,380 --> 00:53:52,770
don't know we'll see the answer the

1497
00:53:55,610 --> 00:53:54,390
answers are all coming in 2020 if you

1498
00:53:58,490 --> 00:53:55,620
didn't know right

1499
00:54:01,070 --> 00:53:58,500
clarity clear vision in 2020 that's it

1500
00:54:02,690 --> 00:54:01,080
man well I got a lot of respect for you

1501
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:02,700
in the difficult journey that you've

1502
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:04,890
been on definitely tell the people where

1503
00:54:09,590 --> 00:54:06,930
they can donate or support the work

1504
00:54:12,290 --> 00:54:09,600
social media links all that good stuff

1505
00:54:14,390 --> 00:54:12,300
I'm Walrus Whisperer on Twitter and

1506
00:54:19,570 --> 00:54:14,400
Instagram you can try to add me on

1507
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:19,580
Facebook save smooshy com SAV ESM Oh Oh

1508
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:22,170
Shi you can make a small contribution

1509
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:24,930
again every dollar soldier stay tuned

1510
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:26,610
we've got a lot of good things come in

1511
00:54:31,790 --> 00:54:29,610
2020 including a couple episodes for

1512
00:54:34,730 --> 00:54:31,800
broadcasts with regards to our battle

1513
00:54:36,980 --> 00:54:34,740
it's as much as I'll say about it yeah

1514
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:36,990
come join the fight it might be a little

1515
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:38,850
early to say some butcher in a couple

1516
00:54:42,770 --> 00:54:40,410
documentaries that may be coming out

1517
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:42,780
this year too right yeah there's a

1518
00:54:45,710 --> 00:54:44,370
couple of documentaries coming out but

1519
00:54:47,630 --> 00:54:45,720
you know Marineland is gonna try to make

1520
00:54:50,510 --> 00:54:47,640
those difficult as possible so I don't

1521
00:54:52,130 --> 00:54:50,520
want to say too much but all I will say

1522
00:54:54,710 --> 00:54:52,140
is they still have a chance to help

1523
00:54:56,780 --> 00:54:54,720
maybe with a happy ending I mean it's

1524
00:54:58,040 --> 00:54:56,790
it's really up to them how they how they

1525
00:54:59,120 --> 00:54:58,050
want to be perceived in the world it has

1526
00:55:01,870 --> 00:54:59,130
everything to do with their actions

1527
00:55:04,670 --> 00:55:01,880
mm-hmm well it does seem like there's

1528
00:55:07,610 --> 00:55:04,680
some hope around the negotiation because

1529
00:55:09,470 --> 00:55:07,620
you both have what the other wants and

1530
00:55:12,380 --> 00:55:09,480
life should really just be this simple

1531
00:55:14,150 --> 00:55:12,390
but I'm glad we could do this now that

1532
00:55:16,220 --> 00:55:14,160
you've been on the gyro and experienced

1533
00:55:17,810 --> 00:55:16,230
hot boxing with Mike Tyson in the higher

1534
00:55:20,150 --> 00:55:17,820
side chats I guess you got the true

1535
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:20,160
stoner podcast trifecta under your belt

1536
00:55:25,610 --> 00:55:22,130
so there's that I'll smoke to that

1537
00:55:27,530 --> 00:55:25,620
indeed me as well well seriously though

1538
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:27,540
I do appreciate your commitment man and

1539
00:55:30,890 --> 00:55:29,490
I'm happy we could highlight it keep up

1540
00:55:32,780 --> 00:55:30,900
the good work and take care out there

1541
00:55:34,940 --> 00:55:32,790
you too Greg did anytime appreciate

1542
00:55:39,810 --> 00:55:34,950
appreciate your time and your work

1543
00:55:44,250 --> 00:55:39,820
and boom goes the dynamite dear people

1544
00:55:46,380 --> 00:55:44,260
good times with walrus Ville and big

1545
00:55:48,630 --> 00:55:46,390
thanks to Stephanie who is probably the

1546
00:55:49,310 --> 00:55:48,640
reason Phil contacted me in the first

1547
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:49,320
place

1548
00:55:54,780 --> 00:55:51,970
he hit me up on Twitter and my first

1549
00:55:57,660 --> 00:55:54,790
thought was how did the walrus whisperer

1550
00:55:59,880 --> 00:55:57,670
get a blue check and I can't but my

1551
00:56:02,670 --> 00:55:59,890
second thought was that as much as I

1552
00:56:05,010 --> 00:56:02,680
love animals and am fascinated by them

1553
00:56:07,250 --> 00:56:05,020
and their ways we don't bring them into

1554
00:56:10,140 --> 00:56:07,260
the fold very often on this show and

1555
00:56:12,210 --> 00:56:10,150
marine mammals in particular the whales

1556
00:56:15,950 --> 00:56:12,220
the Dolphins we know they're smarter

1557
00:56:18,390 --> 00:56:15,960
than a lot of other things and smarter

1558
00:56:21,090 --> 00:56:18,400
isn't even the right word maybe they

1559
00:56:23,700 --> 00:56:21,100
exude a more complex form of

1560
00:56:27,630 --> 00:56:23,710
consciousness than say a lot of other

1561
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:27,640
creatures I did hear Phil on Joe Rogan a

1562
00:56:31,230 --> 00:56:29,770
couple of times and Joe did describe his

1563
00:56:35,250 --> 00:56:31,240
own experience swimming with dolphins

1564
00:56:37,010 --> 00:56:35,260
being really high as you do and he was

1565
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:37,020
hit with the realization that they are

1566
00:56:42,060 --> 00:56:39,850
pretty much people in a strange suit

1567
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:42,070
it's easy to overlook because they don't

1568
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:44,770
manipulate their environment we think

1569
00:56:48,330 --> 00:56:46,570
that's the intelligence test but

1570
00:56:50,190 --> 00:56:48,340
dolphins and whales they don't really

1571
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:50,200
need to do that they're running that

1572
00:56:58,800 --> 00:56:54,850
ocean up-down left-right hey bee start

1573
00:57:01,350 --> 00:56:58,810
you know they are best suited for their

1574
00:57:04,350 --> 00:57:01,360
world they don't need bowling alleys

1575
00:57:07,830 --> 00:57:04,360
Escalades and IMAX theaters to show that

1576
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:07,840
they have some advanced cognition so I

1577
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:09,610
was happy to do this one it's always a

1578
00:57:14,070 --> 00:57:12,130
little challenging when I think about

1579
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:14,080
filling two hours with one specific

1580
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:16,330
story but we could add those other

1581
00:57:20,850 --> 00:57:18,610
threads about marine mammals to kind of

1582
00:57:23,670 --> 00:57:20,860
flesh it out and right now I'm all about

1583
00:57:25,830 --> 00:57:23,680
trying to cover in justices that are

1584
00:57:29,010 --> 00:57:25,840
outside of politics and I think this

1585
00:57:31,500 --> 00:57:29,020
applies plus it's something nobody

1586
00:57:34,650 --> 00:57:31,510
expected and the funny thing about

1587
00:57:36,390 --> 00:57:34,660
someone who might say why don't you

1588
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:36,400
cover something more serious bro rather

1589
00:57:43,740 --> 00:57:39,610
than this safe walrus softball show you

1590
00:57:48,690 --> 00:57:46,079
the funny thing is about that the irony

1591
00:57:53,069 --> 00:57:48,700
is that when you hone in on one company

1592
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:53,079
or one group like Scientology that is a

1593
00:58:00,030 --> 00:57:55,810
lot riskier of a show than something

1594
00:58:01,170 --> 00:58:00,040
about sabot en franca Steph cults but it

1595
00:58:04,829 --> 00:58:01,180
really is insane

1596
00:58:08,430 --> 00:58:04,839
just give smooshy to his man mom and

1597
00:58:11,069 --> 00:58:08,440
call it a day guys she's not being used

1598
00:58:14,250 --> 00:58:11,079
in the routines she's costing you a lot

1599
00:58:16,140 --> 00:58:14,260
in resources just to keep her fills all

1600
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:16,150
over the goddamn internet tarnishing the

1601
00:58:22,589 --> 00:58:18,930
brand and it's already been established

1602
00:58:26,460 --> 00:58:22,599
how rare this imprinting situation is

1603
00:58:28,380 --> 00:58:26,470
just take the L on this one in fact you

1604
00:58:31,559 --> 00:58:28,390
could have gotten good PR if you had

1605
00:58:35,670 --> 00:58:31,569
done this several years ago I see it as

1606
00:58:37,260 --> 00:58:35,680
a strategic blunder to say the least and

1607
00:58:40,530 --> 00:58:37,270
you also got to love the elements of

1608
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:40,540
synchronicity in this story does seem

1609
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:43,690
like Phil's fate and to say that all the

1610
00:58:49,829 --> 00:58:47,890
other walruses have died but her it's

1611
00:58:52,559 --> 00:58:49,839
like the story is right there waiting

1612
00:58:56,250 --> 00:58:52,569
for the last chapter the happy ending

1613
00:58:58,890 --> 00:58:56,260
and I hope they get it if smooshy did

1614
00:59:01,440 --> 00:58:58,900
get moved to this nicer zoo think about

1615
00:59:03,450 --> 00:59:01,450
the sorts of kids programs they could

1616
00:59:04,950 --> 00:59:03,460
have getting up close and personal with

1617
00:59:06,990 --> 00:59:04,960
her if Phil was there

1618
00:59:09,780 --> 00:59:07,000
I know zoos and everything are

1619
00:59:13,980 --> 00:59:09,790
problematic too but if you want people

1620
00:59:18,130 --> 00:59:13,990
to understand and care and respect

1621
00:59:20,260 --> 00:59:18,140
animals get kids up close with them

1622
00:59:22,690 --> 00:59:20,270
but that's what I was trying to get at

1623
00:59:24,970 --> 00:59:22,700
in this interview is that I'm just so

1624
00:59:27,870 --> 00:59:24,980
frustrated with the people involved here

1625
00:59:30,220 --> 00:59:27,880
and their unwillingness to compromise I

1626
00:59:33,550 --> 00:59:30,230
don't know if there's some other piece

1627
00:59:35,890 --> 00:59:33,560
of the puzzle I'm not seen but it seems

1628
00:59:39,810 --> 00:59:35,900
like the simplest of problems to solve

1629
00:59:44,170 --> 00:59:39,820
in fact all this money for legal fees

1630
00:59:46,590 --> 00:59:44,180
and lost revenue could have just bought

1631
00:59:50,190 --> 00:59:46,600
smooshy outright

1632
00:59:52,380 --> 00:59:50,200
and I think I did say smoochy once I

1633
00:59:53,910 --> 00:59:52,390
can't help it that damn Robin Williams

1634
00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:53,920
movie keeps creeping back into my

1635
00:59:58,740 --> 00:59:56,650
subconscious but either way I hope Phil

1636
01:00:01,470 --> 00:59:58,750
finds a happy ending here and I'm glad

1637
01:00:05,730 --> 01:00:01,480
we could talk about his situation as

1638
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:05,740
well as the orcas and the dolphins I've

1639
01:00:09,930 --> 01:00:07,690
mentioned before that I had an interview

1640
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:09,940
scheduled to talk to an expert on the

1641
01:00:15,660 --> 01:00:13,090
aquatic ape theory that idea that

1642
01:00:17,490 --> 01:00:15,670
dolphins really are a branch of human

1643
01:00:20,430 --> 01:00:17,500
evolution that went into the water and

1644
01:00:24,090 --> 01:00:20,440
never came out the whole ape to human

1645
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:24,100
evolution theory is problematic yes I

1646
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:25,810
know but I do think this is an

1647
01:00:32,250 --> 01:00:28,570
interesting angle on it but then I found

1648
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:32,260
out the author was a registered ex-nazi

1649
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:34,210
who was removed from the Nazi Party

1650
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:36,130
because they found him with child porn

1651
01:00:43,550 --> 01:00:39,490
and of course he reinvented himself as a

1652
01:00:45,590 --> 01:00:43,560
weird stuff author while in prison

1653
01:00:47,750 --> 01:00:45,600
but that's the show big thanks to Phil

1654
01:00:48,260 --> 01:00:47,760
nice to have someone to smoke with at

1655
01:00:51,650 --> 01:00:48,270
work

1656
01:00:54,380 --> 01:00:51,660
and I do understand his anxiety over

1657
01:00:57,260 --> 01:00:54,390
what's gonna come next I mean he's had

1658
01:00:59,990 --> 01:00:57,270
this really great ride he's famous for

1659
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:00,000
being the walrus mom it's taken him

1660
01:01:07,700 --> 01:01:02,610
through some pretty high Heights clearly

1661
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:07,710
he's on THC but if smooshy dies or he

1662
01:01:15,020 --> 01:01:12,570
gets her back then what I feel that but

1663
01:01:19,820 --> 01:01:15,030
you gotta hope that something will

1664
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:19,830
emerge and I wish him well of course we

1665
01:01:24,980 --> 01:01:22,050
have a second hour of the show four plus

1666
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:24,990
members as always I tried to give you

1667
01:01:29,060 --> 01:01:26,730
the full story in the first hour but

1668
01:01:32,350 --> 01:01:29,070
there are always some other threads we

1669
01:01:35,710 --> 01:01:32,360
can pull on and in this one we got into

1670
01:01:38,270 --> 01:01:35,720
interesting insights into Orca language

1671
01:01:41,060 --> 01:01:38,280
new laws that are on the books to help

1672
01:01:44,060 --> 01:01:41,070
these animals where these animals are

1673
01:01:47,420 --> 01:01:44,070
being captured what orcas do when

1674
01:01:50,090 --> 01:01:47,430
members of their pods are captured the

1675
01:01:53,930 --> 01:01:50,100
mass animal graveyard and what it's like

1676
01:01:56,660 --> 01:01:53,940
to really get that Rogan bump yeah so

1677
01:01:59,720 --> 01:01:56,670
just some fun stuff to fill us out well

1678
01:02:02,170 --> 01:01:59,730
fun stuff and then the animal graveyard

1679
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:02,180
stuff I wouldn't call that fun but

1680
01:02:07,780 --> 01:02:05,210
informative I mean you get it

1681
01:02:09,819 --> 01:02:07,790
so give Phil some love on Twitter let

1682
01:02:12,099 --> 01:02:09,829
them know you're with the cause I'm sure

1683
01:02:13,930 --> 01:02:12,109
even a hi there and hello is helpful

1684
01:02:17,589 --> 01:02:13,940
when you're the target of some big

1685
01:02:18,130 --> 01:02:17,599
corporate legal battle but I'm getting

1686
01:02:20,410 --> 01:02:18,140
out of here

1687
01:02:23,579 --> 01:02:20,420
your move animal abusers captivity

1688
01:02:24,930 --> 01:02:23,589
captors and operators of Orca Auschwitz

1689
01:02:28,610 --> 01:02:24,940
your

1690
01:02:33,450 --> 01:02:28,620
[Music]

1691
01:02:43,730 --> 01:02:33,460
no one knows but it's like to be the bad

1692
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:43,740
man to be the sad man behind blue eyes

1693
01:02:58,640 --> 01:02:48,370
and no one knows what it's like to be

1694
01:03:07,320 --> 01:02:58,650
hated to be fated to telling only lies

1695
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:07,330
but my dreams aren't as empty as my

1696
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:22,890
conscience seems to be lonely since they

1697
01:03:34,220 --> 01:03:28,930
exposed me on THC

1698
01:03:38,789 --> 01:03:34,230
[Music]

1699
01:03:49,789 --> 01:03:38,799
no one knows what it's like to feel

1700
01:04:05,789 --> 01:03:56,599
no one bites back is hard on their anger

1701
01:04:15,660 --> 01:04:05,799
love my pain can show through but my

1702
01:04:17,170 --> 01:04:15,670
dreams aren't as empty as my conscience

1703
01:04:18,670 --> 01:04:17,180
[Music]

1704
01:04:24,590 --> 01:04:18,680
to be

1705
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:37,160
always lonely today exposed me THC

1706
01:04:37,170 --> 01:05:10,600
[Music]

1707
01:05:10,610 --> 01:05:14,410
but my dream

1708
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:22,870
aren't as empty as my conscience seems

1709
01:05:28,569 --> 01:05:25,690
to be

1710
01:05:38,609 --> 01:05:28,579
I have

1711
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:38,619
oh wait only since they exposed me on

1712
01:05:45,890 --> 01:05:40,970
THC

1713
01:06:01,800 --> 01:05:50,790
no one knows what it's like to be the